Police Execution Squads, the Tyrannical Government that Supports them.

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  1. Maccabee

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    Without physical evidence, I can only take your claim with a grain of salt. But let's assume that all these black citizens did exactly what the officer did and still got shot. You do realize cops kill more whites, than blacks, right? If your claim is of merit, then it's not a race issue, rather, it's a training and hiring issue.

    Example?

    You haven't provided any solid evidence in this post for him to reevaluate his position. BTW, the person you quoted is also critical of police procedures. Just look at his post history.

    Unarmed does not mean not lethal. And again, "unarmed" whites have been shot too. So again, this isn't a race issue, this is a police training/public's understanding of police procedures issue.
     
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    As opposed to those who either attempted to flee, became physically combative, or simply refused to follow instructions in favor of arguing?

    What is reality, is the pictures being discussed show the criminal act of brandishing a firearm in public being committing.

    If the suspect is taking an aggressive posture and failing to comply with a lawful order in favor of getting into a verbal argument, their death is ultimately on them, and them alone, not the law enforcement officer. It is not that difficult of a concept to understand. The scene of an arrest or dispute is not the place to attempt to argue a particular case. As the saying goes, there is a time and place for everything.
     
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    Fortunately, more and more cops, are being prosecuted for excessive force. Our society has finally had enough of cowardice, rogue police officers.
     
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    Are the prosecutions actually leading to convictions? Convictions that are not later being overturned by the courts upon review and exercising of qualified immunity?

    If not, then no increased amount of prosecutions are proving worthwhile, or otherwise leading to legitimate changes. To the contrary, an absence of sustained convictions would suggest society sees nothing objectionable about black suspects being killed in the line of duty by law enforcement officers.
     
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    Doesn't matter.

    Doesn't matter.

    Doesn't matter.

    :)

    Secondarily the convictions are being upheld, although primarily it doesn't matter. Because primarily Justice was already won, yes Black citizens won each time rogue and racist cops are spooked and terrified. After rogue and racist cops watch one of their fellow officers get, charged, then spend the next 2yrs with his life turned upside down as well as his family member's lives too. Plus his financial resources are tied up in court fees, from trying to stay out of Prison.

    It's beautiful, the tormenting which they have to endure. And hopefully it deters other officers from practicing roguishness or racism.
     
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    First, what are the ratios of prosecutions to convictions? How many law enforcement officers are charged, compared to how many are actually found guilty of the charges against them?

    Second, the above points do indeed matter. If the majority of verdicts are not guilty, or the cases are overturned on appeal, then the increased number of prosecutions are nothing more than hollow gestures and political theater with no substance whatsoever. It is done to craft the illusion that something is being done, when in truth the same problems exist and are not being adequately addressed.
     
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    I'll repeat, convictions do NOT matter.

    I'll also repeat, why they don't matter:

    Justice was already won, yes Black citizens win Justice each time multitudes of rogue, racist cops are spooked and terrified. This happens whenever rogue and racist cops get to watch one of their fellow rogues get, charged, and now has his Freedom hanging in the balance. As he then spends the next 2yrs with his life turned upside down as well as his family member's lives too. Plus his financial resources are tied up in lawyer fees/court costs, from trying to stay out of Prison.

    It's beautiful, the tormenting which they have to endure. And hopefully it continues to deter other cops from practicing roguishness or racism.
     
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    This is the light at the end of that 156-yr-old, tunnel, in terms of charging cops with crimes in order to bring Black citizens a peace of mind they have not known since Abe Lincoln's days.
     
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    Convictions do indeed matter. To argue anything less is to support style over substance.

    Has such a plan actually lead to any perceived decrease in the number of suspects being killed by law enforcement officers? If it indeed has, then cite such. Otherwise there is no legitimacy in either the position or the claims on the part of yourself.

    What is not understood on the part of yourself, and countless others in the united states, is that not everything has to do with matters pertaining to race. Simply because you choose to see race in everything, from peanut butter sandwiches to the color of printing paper, does not mean such actually exists. Simply because a suspect killed by law enforcement just happened to be black does not mean it had anything to do with it.
     
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    What is not understood by you, and hundreds of millions of others, is that in fact here in the USA everything is about Race. It always has been, and it always will be.

    It is your job/your responsibility to not play pretend about reality.

    Stay keen, stay careful. When you post fallacious comments like these, they have the potential to make you appear xenophobic satanic and pro-Racism.



    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/
     
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    Wrong. Not everything has to do with race in the US. In fact, a normal person without an agenda would be hard pressed to find anything that can be genuinely considered racist. I'm almost tempted to say when everything is racist, nothing is.

    Fine, point out exactely what is racist.


    Lol.




    Irrelevant. Neither links show that the presence of white supremacists in law enforcement, however large or minuscule, has any link with how many blacks are killed and whether or not it was justified. Let me remind you that more white people are shot by police and black officers are more likely to use force on blacks than white cops.
     
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    Repetition deos not equal being correct.
     
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    When critics cannot override yonder facts oh then repetition becomes, necessary, wherever yonder facts are undefeated.

    You can play pretend about what violent White Supremacy means for Black citizens, but I won't. The FBI won't either.

    And, well, frankly I like that about your Conscience whenever you read the facts at those links.
     
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    Or it could be a tactic to gain attention and boost your own ego when soneone doesn't respond within your time limit.

    You're misinterpreting the evidence. The proof is the fact that you haven't linked white supremacy in law enforcement with any of the shootings.

    Okay?
     
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    High speed chase should give you a clue.
     
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    First, prove the claims on the part of yourself.

    Second, if everything in the united states always will be about race, as is being claimed by yourself, there is absolutely no point in the outrage being demonstrated on the part of yourself, as nothing of substance will ever change.

    Then stop pretending to know everything there is to know about reality, and focus on actual facts. Not the carefully selected, constructed narrative supported on the part of yourself.

    Except it is not a fallacious comment.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/is-peanut-butter-and-jelly-racist_n_1874905.html

    A lunchtime staple of students for years, the peanut butter and jelly sandwich could be considered one of the more popular items found in the sack lunches of school children.


    But in conjunction with recent equity training in local Portland schools, one principal is raising questions about the mention of the sandwich, arguing it has broader implications about race, the Portland Tribune reports.


    The sandwich was reportedly mentioned in a lesson plan last year. Verenice Gutierrez from the Harvey Scott K-8 School used it as an example of a subtle form of racism in language, according to the report.

    “What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez said, according to the Tribune. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”


    Is such actually proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, that every single killing of a black suspect by law enforcement officers is committed by a white supremacist? Or is it simply more of the causation/correlation substitution fallacy, being utilized by one who does not actually have a legitimate argument to present?
     
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    I'm in ROFL mode @ the idea, of White Supremacists removing White Supremacists. Stop it!! You're a riot!


    You should book a show at the local improv...email me some tickets, too!
     
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    Thanks! You merely solidified my stance, here, when you posted this:

    Already proven.

    Sir I cannot force you to stop playing pretend about, America, as you have offered nothing to dispute the veracity at those reputable links.


    Your statement here is not based in, logic, plus it is an insult to the pristine publishers and authors of articles I post here. Yes when I use those links on this website, to compliment my own scholarship which is inline with the truths that I represent. So please sir stop giving me credit for the work, of others, wherever your argument was too deficient to contend with mines and their's.
     
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    Lol. You expect me to treat the socialist worker as a valid and unbiased source? Areyou a socialist? That's like me using Stormfront as a source. Not to mention the fact that protecting protesters doesn't have anything to do with what I asked you to prove. That being the link between white supremacists in law enforcement and blacks being shot.
    Again, doesn't make the link between white supremacists in law enforcement and blacks being shot.
    Let's think about this, shall we? The prayer group/proud boys were there first not causing an issue. The issue arose wjen counter protesters started being violent. Who do you think the police is going to protect?

    Same as the PBS link.

    I'm asking for modern cases.
     
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    Nothing was actually proven on the part of yourself. Rather it was suggested and alluded to, but such is not the same thing as proving a position.

    Simply because someone publishes an article supported on the part of yourself, does not actually make them credible. Therefore there is nothing to insult by dismissing them out of hand as irrelevant and immaterial distractions to the discussion at hand. Being published means nothing of either relevance or substance, as the entire peer review process is nothing more than a sham to fool the intellectually deficient.

    Since the nonsense being perpetuated by these supposed "authors" is being cited on the part of yourself, thus meaning their presentation is agreed with on the part of yourself, their own nonsense will be treated as if it is your own argument rather than theirs. If you support their position then their presentation becomes your own.

    Now get back to work and actually demonstrate how the presence of some individuals with white supremacist beliefs, does anything to suggest every killing of black suspects by law enforcement officer is somehow racially based. Show that there were absolutely no other factors that would explain such actions.
     
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    Virtually all of whom had it coming and the actions of the police were found to be fully justified. Or do YOU think people should be treated differently because of the colour of their skin?
     
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    Wake up. Black people are already treated differently because of the color of their skin. That is the whole purpose and intent, of those White Supremacists who infiltrate law enforcement.

    Duh?!!!
     
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