Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. dairyair

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    Why do you have a fire extinguisher to stop a tornado. It won't work.
    You post nonsense.

    If there are jobs available, they will come. A wall won't stop them.
     
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    I was under the mistaken impression that e-verify was mandatory for all employers. Turns out I was wrong. Only 4 States require it, shockingly. It shouldn't even be up to the States, as immigration falls under federal purview. Having said all that, it SHOULD be mandatory for ALL employers, and any caught in violation should be subject to criminal sanctions of a felony charge with at least one year in prison that cannot be pled down. That would go a long way towards solving the problem, as I'm not risking a felony just because my boss wants me to hire illegal strawberry pickers at half minimum wage. (Although in that hypothetical, my boss should also be subject to the same charges.)
     
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    I’m sure you arent as dense as that post makes you look

    Say goodnight Gracie
     
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    @Mac-7 isn't suggesting that a fire extinguisher would stop a tornado, just like nobody is saying that a wall would stop all illegal aliens from crossing the border illegally.
     
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    Well, if we had sufficient border security, billions would not be sent back to mexico, from work done by illegals in america. Takes lots of illegals to earn enough to send billions back to mexico. So lots of illegals got in, still get in, which means border security is insufficient, because congress and presidents have refused to actually do their jobs.

    Apparently something blocks us finding out an accurate count on illegal aliens living in america, against our law. The rule of law in regards to this is a joke. Rule of law should never be a joke.

    Hell, when the blowhard Ann Coulter was trying to get an accurate count of illegals in the US prison system, she couldn't. Should we not know such stats? Should be not also have some kind of idea how many illegals live in america? I keep hearing we only have estimates. You only estimate when you have not made an attempt to collect numbers with some accuracy. SO, why is it we don't have hard numbers? Answer that for me.
     
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    We have the ways and means of minimizing those who come by sea as well as those who come by land, across the southern border, right? The question is why have we not sufficiently worked to stop it as much as possible? The funding is never given sufficiently to do this, at least since the amnesty of the 80s. The last time we got serious about illegal immigration was under Ike. He ran an operation to get most of them out, which was successful.

    IMO, to actually minimize the problem demands both border security with every means necessary in order to stop the influx as well as going after employers, and perhaps even reforming our welfare system, if that is any kind of attraction to the poor of mexico and other nations that people want to flee from. To come to the land of milk and honey, illegally.

    Thing is, the vast millions that came here illegally and are still here is all of the proof we need to show that our system for handling this is completely broken. And yet when you hear people talk about reforming immigration, what they mean is generally giving amnesty again to those here, which will insure we get even more in the upcoming years. In hopes of amnesty.

    The problem on the left, the democratic side, is that they don;t seem to care about illegal immigration. And apparently we see the same thing with the GOP, up until trump ran on addressing it with a wall, but we need much more than just a wall in strategic areas. Just a border wall in particular places will not do enough by itself to stop future illegal immigration. Sure, it will help but his must be a multifaceted approach, with sufficient money funding it and we have not had that.
     
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    Then you got the gist of the reply.
    I am not as dense as the post, but the post is as dense as your post. Equality.
     
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    Why should we waste all that money, time, and energy on an admitted failed solution?
     
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    Ya, works so well on the illegal drug problem, hasn't it.
     
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    Impossible to stop illegal drug use and that demand being supplied. But an employer operates in the open, employing illegals, so not quite the same battle, IMO. And we actually have the ability to minimize greatly the flow of illegal into america who are then employed by american business. If we had the will. So not sure your comparison here is valid.
     
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    You say the number of illegals grows every year? Perhaps you should go against Trump and educate yourself and you’ll see that is not true.
     
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    Apprehensions are up but still about 400,000 a year enter.
     
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    If you learned anything from Ronald Reagan it’s when you exchange amnesty for border security... all you get is amnesty
     
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    That is my opinion, and given we have no real idea of just how many illegals are here, only estimates, as we have no way of tracking this, and you should know that. And given the flow has never stopped and some do get in, not all are caught as they come here, it is only logical to think that if the flow never stops, you add illegals each year. What kind of logic are you using? I am not familiar with it.

    We do know we caught almost half a million last year, but we do not know how many got through and did not get caught. Logical? Yes indeed. So my position is credible, and valid. Based upon a lack of real numbers of those who got in, and knowing without a doubt they keep coming and some get in. Perhaps one day we will actually find out just how many are here and no need to just guess? Not if left up to the democrats. To them, ignorance not only blissful, but it works in their favor of adding more illegals who one day they hope to give amnesty to. More democrats to vote for the democratic party! So transparent in motive. Or they have gone insane. I figure it is the former.

    Is this kind of logic shocking to you? ha ha
     
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    You’re the Gracie! LOL the point went right over your head the way it would go over Gracie?s head
     
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    They .use the same method of statistics for years So the numbers are credible. What is your expertise that qualifies you to state an opinion that is in complete opposition to the government studies
    And of course the only reason the Democrats want amnest is for votes! Of course in your world they couldn’t be compassion for people fleeing violence and poverty, no we have to have a dark ulterior motive. I guess it would be fair then for me to say that you support the neo-Nazis and white supremacist because after all they vote for Republicans, just as stupid
     
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    Source?
     
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    Explain why a wall would be useless?

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    Why wouldn't this wall work.
     
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    It would work.... to force illegals to tunnel or find another way.
     
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    Tunneling makes a lot of vibrations in the ground easily detectible by ground sensors.
     
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    So now it's not just a wall but a wall and ground sensors?
    That didn't seem to bother the 300+ illegals who just crawled under in AZ and turned themselves in.
     
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    So what you are saying is that the fancy tech the Dims are clamoring for doesn't work?

    Tech doesn't work, walls don't work.....what does in Democrat world....amnesty??
     
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    Not being a Democrat I won't speak to that.

    I will state again that I am for having National Guard troops shoot people trying to cross the border illegally. Cheap, easy solution.
     
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    Explain why?
     
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    That was a fence which is easily defeated. The wall I pictured must go at least 15+ feet into the ground. Unless they're Gophers it will be very difficult to go under or over.
     

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