Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The difference between you and me is a matter of degree. I did not want Trump as a president and did not vote for him.. But now that he is president, I hope for the best outcome for America while you hope for the worse outcome for Trump.
     
  2. Hoosier8

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    Cris Coumo is now upset that Mueller didn't do the media any favors. Love the bias don't you?
     
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    Actually try reading the exact words. They don't exonerate Trump." Not accurate" could mean that what Trump did was worse than Buzzefeed reported.
     
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    Feel silly yet? Not only did you swallow fake news hook, line, and sinker, you felt it important enough to come on here and write a major rant on it. PS... Buzzfeed (which I always thought of as more of a celebrity gossip site, though it's not somewhere I visit very often so I could be wrong about that, is the one that broke the fake news about the long discredited "dossier" on DT. At this point I wouldn't trust them if they told me the sky is blue unless I went outside and checked for myself.
     
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    You're right about one thing, which is unusual. It IS a first. This is, so far as my and others research can find, the first time Mueller's team has debunked any "leaked" info from their investigation. Hell, they didn't even bother debunking the recent stories that their results would be "anticlimactic", but perhaps that's because they know that is true.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So shooting down another Buzzfeed article is proof Trump is guilty in your mind? Fascinating.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know that's ridiculous, right?

    Buzzfeed's response to Mueller.......“We stand by our reporting and the sources who informed it, and we urge the Special Counsel to make clear what he’s disputing,” Mr. Smith said on Twitter.
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Turns out it was full of Schiff.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't know that.

    “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the special counsel’s office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony are not accurate,” said the spokesman, Peter Carr.

    There is a lot of room for interpretation there.
     
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  10. LibChik

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    Mueller's statement was carefully crafted...and the actual story was just one of many, many other crimes that trump has/is committing.

    One for instance, is the witness intimidation against Cohen's family that we're seeing this week. And there's so many others being investigated, its staggering to consider.

    That trump supporters are raving about the correction regarding one particular piece of just one particular story is hilarious. Talk about missing the haystack for the needle.

    The reality is that this will now give Congress the justification to have open public hearings...which should have started a long time ago. Mueller's investigation is important but by its very nature, its not the public hearings that the decent American public wants and deserves. Yesterday, a number of Congress-people are basically advocating for immediate, full open, public hearings. And I believe they just got every justification they needed. They should be questioning these habitual liars...like don jr, trump, sanders, sessions, etc...in front of America. If they lied to Congress...they committed a felony and they can be indicted. If there's a pattern to the lies (and there is)...then Congress needs to figure out how that was coordinated.
     
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  11. LibChik

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    Embarrassed about what? lol, the story isn't necessarily false. Did you even read the special counsel statement. They claimed only that the part of the story regarding the evidence THEY had wasn't factual. They didn't dispute the claim or say that the evidence isn't available elsewhere...or anything else.

    Its hilarious to see right wingers freak out because they have NOTHING else to hang their hat on.

    Get used to it...its going to be very bad news for your ilk for a very, very long time.

    Never forget what you are and what you support.
     
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  12. Jestsayin

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    I have a couple of things to hang my hat on, rather than list them I will just give you a link, https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...rumps-accomplishments-in-the-first-two-years/

    I am glad you are what you are and what you support. Hang around today because President Trump is about to upset you once again.
     
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    Oh and btw, why were the lies even necessary in the first place. What were they covering up?

    Election fraud, money laundering, being comprised by an enemy of the country, self-enrichment....there's just sooooo much to choose from.

    Watching a the pack of rubes that believe a man (and everyone around him) who habitually lies dozens of times a day right to their face raging about a news story that might have been slightly off in its validation of sources when actually investigating the TRUTH about a criminal infesting the White House and his multiple criminal cronies and their crimes....a media outlet that will also issue whatever corrections is necessary instead of doubling down on multiple lies like the fat, racist moron they support....is HILARIOUS.

    Suddenly trump supporters care about the truth? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...puhleaze

    Try to pay attention...there are crimes on top of crimes on top of crimes by a fat incompetent moron and his kids and cronies who are possibly compromised by a foreign enemy of the state...who may have also engaged in stealing a Democratic election in the US with help from the same fat incompetent racist.

    But we all know you need any straw to grasp during your free fall.

    Just never forget who you are and what you support...never forget. Because decent Americans will sure never let you forget.
     
  14. LibChik

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    lol...yea cause I'm gonna click any right wing link. I'll probably end up signed up for the american nazi party...no thanks.
     
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    The minions jump on command. Always have, always will.
     
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    Yeah, like it's wrong.
     
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    The word of the day is "debunked" not "false." Those who ignore the difference for their political gain, right or left, will get pounded by the facts.
     
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    By the way, you know what's really, really, really funny?

    trump and his sycophants didn't issue a response to the original Buzzfeed story for 16 hours because trump knew the subject of the story was true and he was trying to figure out what evidence he left. They were in full damage control mode. He NEVER takes any time to tweet crap but he was actually afraid.

    Immediately after the Buzzfeed story was questioned, trump fires off crap on twitter....lol

    He's such an obvious crook, it would be funny if it wasn't so treasonous. There have been multiple Democratic Congress people on talking about immediately starting public, open hearings. trump might want to shut up and stop trying to openly intimidating witnesses realllll soon...lol

    I'm so enjoying watching this fat racist roasting over the fire. Its going to be even better when his disgusting, gross kids are openly having to testify about their felony lying to Congress in front of the entire American public.

    And Cohen's testimony next month is going to be soooo much fun. I actually am taking a vacation day from work just to watch it. Can't wait...
     
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    you can hope all you want. Trump won’t be part of any good solution except by accident. Trump is an empty suit.
     
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    Imagine my surprise that you interpret things that way.
     
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    The fact that the normally buttoned-up special counsel’s office felt compelled to issue a statement at all suggested that the story’s conclusions were too baldly stated and too consequential to stay unchallenged. In effect, Mueller’s office seemed to be saying that BuzzFeed went too far, and got some things wrong, though it did not say how or what.

    In fact, what it didn’t say was important, too. It didn’t say that Mueller had no evidence that Trump had sought to influence Cohen — just that BuzzFeed’s description of such statements was inaccurate. Nor did it spell out which reported statements were inaccurate and in what way. Further, it offered no details about how BuzzFeed had mischaracterized any evidence that Mueller has collected.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.a79389ac906a
     
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    Oh, so you don't believe Mueller after all.

    Jonah Goldberg

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  23. Lee Atwater

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    Jeeez, what a pile of crap. For every story that have had inaccurate elements there are 1,000 that are correct. I wonder why Jonah doesn't mention anything about the stories Don claimed to be fake that have proven to be true?
     
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    Translation: You will believe in false reporting no matter what.
     
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    The Buzzfeed story has been debunked and there was never a deal. At the most some of the people who wanted to be part of a deal were contacting Cohen to try and get it started again but Trump had already said no deal. There is nothing here.
     

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