Nathan Phillips Lied. The Media Bought It.

Ouch!

And to think I once afforded him credibility.

No wonder his pub is defunct.

 

Yes, a sad decline.

 

Your original post, which I replied to, held the distinct tone of supporting Mr. Phillips. You quoted the initial rejection of the boys' behavior by the school and diocese as well as Mr. Phillips' follow up remarks in which he said he would only meet with the boys so he could lecture them on racism and cultural appropriation. You have clearly chosen a side that you feel is more reasonable in this issue.

Then, I presented a number of well-documented facts (not theories, introspections, or interpretations but actual facts based on publicly available video) to which you are responding with this weak attempt to cast me, or perhaps others criticizing Mr. Phillips, as hyper-partisan fanatics eager to exploit an ideological agenda.

Well then. Do tell me what my agenda is. Do tell me what my ideologies are. Do tell me where my political leans fall.

Here's the truth of the matter. The initial optics of the situation, a noble Native American elder harassed by young, privileged white teens who support Trump and are pro-life, were incredibly appealing to the left and the media in the context of the situations at hand (the Pence-Christian school issue, the upcoming Supreme Court seat, Kavanaugh, Trump's fate in 2019, the 2020 elections, etc.). This was perfect for what they wanted to push so they grabbed a clearly incomplete video and ran with it.

The boys were smeared. The boys were doxxed. They were harassed, lied about, had death threats sent them, and now the boys' school is forced to be closed because of multiple credible threats.

In the context of all of that, your refusal to actually address the facts which are available yet still hold a position demonstrating support to Mr. Phillips is both intellectually lazy as well as overwhelmingly cowardly. It reeks of partisan foolishness. Surely you are better than that.

 

I'm not quoting blogs. I'm citing specific videos of the event with timestamped observations of what actually happened. If this paints Mr. Phillips in a bad light, that's not smearing him. It's just the truth.

Jumping to a wrong conclusion would be assuming that the boys were mocking him because they were dancing. That, I could understand. However, he did not stop there. He said they threatened him. He said they were beastly. He said the boys yelled slurs at him. He said they yelled 'build the wall' to him. He said they would not let him by. He said Sandmann approached him. He said that some of what the BHI members said was true.

All of those are either lies or racist and hateful (agreeing with the BHI members).

Listen, sometimes in a conflict, both parties are equally at fault. Sometimes, one party is more at fault but the other is still significantly at fault as well. However, there are instances in which one party is overwhelmingly at fault. That's the case here. Mr. Phillips acted very poorly and aggressively to the students and then lied about the entire thing multiple times. Observing the facts presented by the videos isn't being partisan.

It shouldn't matter but I'm not a Trump supporter in the slightest and didn't vote Republican at all in the midterms except for a couple of small local guys. I'm about as libertarian as they get.

 

When someone lies in a self-serving way in an interview on national television slandering innocent victims in the process, lies more via omission of their history as a paid protestor, lies even more via omission of the fact that they were attempting to disrupt and harass people for the cameras IN THE EXACT SAME WAY the very next day, exposing the truth behind all those LIES is not a "smear" but the public doing a job the media refuses to do due to partisan bias.

All of the many lies this valor stealing creep of an astroturf professional agitator/victim has told are now matters of public record, and not even remotely the product of RW trash blogs.

I've read many of your posts to this forum. That you sincerely believe the above utter hokum does not surprise me in the least. No reasonable adult could view the broader evidence of this occurrence and conclude anything other than a coordinated astroturf fake outrage took place and flopped. It beggars the mind that there are people out there so naïve that they could believe this was just a confluence of random groups that "went bad" of coincidence. All one has to hear is the Black Hebrew Israelite shouting "Here come Gad, Here come Gad... you better not touch him" to see right through this lowbrow, cheap stunt.

Then Phillips attempted the exact same thing the next day during a large mass, just sans Black cultists, who were probably only paid for the day. Phillips apparently had an all weekend deal going.

He told numerous LIES in service of the whole stunt, those lies are in the record of this event, and it's no wonder NPR is trying to do damage control without totally tossing the whole rotten narrative out. Just like arrogant, stupid LW to try to salvage this toxic waste instead of apologizing profusely and hoping something else even worse comes up very soon.

What "testosterone?" from a teenager who doesn't even f-ing shave yet, one who was specifically targeted and just stood there? Had there been any real testosterone involved in this incident, the LW would have gotten its rotten footage and then some, and much to this young hero's credit, they did not get that. Ran with the LIE NARRATIVE anyway like the disgusting offal they in fact are.

Full of crap as usual, and all the rationalizations in the world can't save this flagrant liar from his fate, hard to get an astroturf paycheck any more for this particular dimestore Indian.

Get honest. This post was atrocious even for you.

 

Why don't we unravel the whole history of the HS students and see if they have something in their past that undermines their credibility?

Look, Phillips didn't videotape the incident, he didn't post it, he didn't start it in the first place, he was caught up in it just like the HS students. Why does the OP have to assassinate his character? What is gained by it?

In my view, the real culprit in this incident are the chaperones. They should have not allowed the HS students to engage in the first place. if I had been their chaperone, I would have moved them to a different place right from the start and have one of the chaperones wait for the bus. We cannot expect from 16 year olds to know what to do in such tense situations.

 

Accountability. Get some.

 

I have to admit to not understanding.

Please explain how the chaperones caused, or at fault for, Mr. Phillips actions.

 

Trump fans talking about accountability? LOL!

In any case, you will see that my previous posts were very reasonable. I did not attack the HS students in any form, I actually defended them. What I don't understand is what people gain from attacking Phillips, who did not ask for this.

Oh, I know what they gain, they feel that their perceived side must always be right and the perceived other side must always be wrong. It must be nice to live in such a black-and-white world, in which shades of grey are not allowed. So, even though Phillips did not ask for any of this, you and the OP have lumped him into the enemy category who must be destroyed by any means possible.

 

We don't know the full extent of Mr. Phillips culpability. Therefore, I have refrained from piling on him. All we know is that he approached them. The chaperones did not cause him to do that.

 

The kids were pursued. Never turn your back on haters.
Watch the video.

 

They has apparently assembled to catch their bus. The chaperones were right to keep them together in the face of such a threat.

 

Phillips is what he is - an activists militant. He is not what the WaPo and others said he was. WaPo has run a correction - too late.
Phillips was one of the aggressors in this incident. Will Phillips be a target of the KY prosecutor's investigation?
More likely a witness.

 

If it was me as the kid, I would have stepped aside.

If it was me as a chaperone, I would have pulled the kid aside.

Having said that, the kids and the chaperones are at the bottom of my list of who is to blame.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...american-elder.549509/page-90#post-1070138881

 

So that the aggressive Phillips could get in the face of a younger child?

 

I'm old-fashioned. I still believe that a youth should get out of the way of his elders; no matter how nutty they are.

 

he might not have asked for it but he definitely deserves it
first for his actions with those school kids and second for lying about it
his actions and lies caused harm to those kids death threats even
so I don't feel sorry one bit that this frauds lies have been exposed and he is being dragged through the mud neither should you

 

Philips intentions wasn't to pass thru his intentions was to get into a kids face harass and intimidate him so stepping aside wouldn't have accomplished anything
when confronted by a bully you don't run because all that does is embolden the bully because you showed fear bullies feed on fear
the kid did exactly what you supposed to do with a bully stand your ground and smile that shows the bully that you aren't intimidated and smiling shows you aren't scared and you mean no harm or ill will this disarms the bully

 

It would have made it more obvious.

At some point the guy would notice that he looked ridiculous.

 

Get out of the way to where? They were out of the way until Phillips went to where they were. Had they moved, then they would have been disobeying the "elders" who told them to be where they were.

Glad to be here by the way, I've missed talking politics since my other forum died.

 

I made that post because at the time, very few on any ‘side’ of the political spectrum were talking about Mr. Phillips and his actions. The focus was first fully on the boys then somewhat on the BHI members.

However, as reports continued to flow about the incident and Mr. Phillips continued to make contradictory statements (to what I saw in the videos as well as his previous statements) I felt it necessary to use the evidence to track exactly what happened versus what was reported.

The results are not in Mr. Phillips’ favor but that is of his own doing, mostly through how he has responded after the dust settled.

As for what is gained, well the truth is gained. The truth is a noble and precious thing regardless of who it supports. Sometimes my “side” is right and sometimes your “side” is right. If we can both recognize that and work together, we can accomplish truly incredible things.

However, the reason American politics is in such a sorry state right now is that far too many people on each side have forgotten that there are plenty of good and noble and excellent human beings on the “other” side. I of course am subject to that bias as well but I try to fight against it.

That’s why I always found it interesting when I was an active member and a mod here how I was accused by many on the left for being too far right and of the opposite by those on the right.

Regardless of all that, speak the truth. It is important.

 

you can arm chair quarter back this all you want
but look the kid is only 14 or 15 and probably has lived a rather sheltered life so he isn't filled with much life experiences to know that exact right thing to do in every situation especially in a hostile one
so I think he did rather well considering
now imagine if Philips did this to some hardened inter city kid that grew up on the streets Phillips least of all would have been shoved worst decked

 

That is how I view the world. I think the kid should have moved out of the way of the old man; even though he was being wronged. I know that that is not how people, today, think. I am from an older generation. That is what I was taught. That is what I still believe.

I posted elsewhere, my definitive list of the hierarchy of blame for this incident.

Here it is, for the record:

"The fault lies, in order:

1. Whoever produced and distributed the Fake News video.

2. Fake News commentators who whipped up the frenzy.

3. Celebrities who fanned the flames.

4. Nutjobs who got triggered.

5. The abusive adults.

6. The kids' chaperones.

7. The kids."

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...american-elder.549509/page-90#post-1070138881

 

no the major culprit is the unhinged Trump hate by the left and the sorry state of todays liberalism
this student was the poster boy of everything liberals hate and despise
a MAGA hat wearing white male prolife Christian
that there a lone made him guilty of any offence liberals could cook up

 

Just a step aside.