Supreme Court Takes Major NRA Second Amendment Case from New York

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  1. Vegas giants

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    As I said they are opinions
     
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    Hahaha and you had no clue they had the affect of law....nor apparently understood that law can be overturned.

    "It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is" - John Marshall
     
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    They are opinions. Even Marshall knew that. Lol
     
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    The rulings of the court - the holdings - are law. Statements of fact.
    The opinions of the court are separate form the holding.
     
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    The holdings of the court are wrong sometimes
     
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    Would your writing be just another private opinion? Who has the judicial authority to declare a ruling, you, me, or the Judiciary? Who is to determine whether something is 'right' or "wrong", me, you, or someone else?
     
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    No they are within what is called the opinion.
     
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    What is not wrong or opinion is the second amendment
     
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    That's just your opinion.
     
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    I am certain that there are many politicians as well as Jurists who would argue that point with you (hold a differeing opinion than you). Admittedly, the Constitution and the Amendments are "law", however, like any other law, they are the opinions of those people who wrote them and labeled them as Law.
     
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    No one can prove they are right
     
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    The holding and opinions are separate.
     
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    They are the law. Read his quote again slowly
     
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    No they are all in the opinion, a holding a part of the opinion
     
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    Law based on opinion. Opinions can be wrong
     
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    Indeed. Which is why "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", being the actual operative part of the 2a according to the grammar of the language it was written in, is what we hold as the right. We're all very glad you've finally agreed to halt this foolishness.
     
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    All law is based on opinion....but glad you finally understand that SCOTUS opinions are law. Good job.
     
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    Not just opinions, they are useful for defining case law, etc.

    See, for most of US history, the 2nd was understood to mean what it said.

    Its only recently, with the lefts desire to disarm free citizens and deny them their rights-that things have changed.
     
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    No gun laws of any kind.

    Freedom baby


    Merica
     
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    Excellent post. The states really have done a poor job of protecting the 2nd, its generally democrats seeking to curtail rights.

    With the makeup of SCOTUS changing, I expect to see some major shifts in 2nd amendment law.
     
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    They are opinions. The second amendment is not an opinion.

    It is fact
     
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    Foolishness? Six year olds should be able to bring automatic weapons to school.

    Freedom baby.


    Merica
     
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    Well there are certain caveats on many rights. Ones speech creating a clear and present danger for example.

    But what was understood by reasonable people at the time regarding the 2nd was it would not apply to the insane, for example.
     
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    No Insanity exclusion is written into the second amendment. The insane have gun rights too.


    Freedom baby


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    You are corrrect. I'd argue if citizens are reduced to relying on the legal opinions of 9 individuals, our rights are already in danger.

    Although Im not advocating for it, widespread failure to comply with restrictions on our rights is an almost certain end result.

    Marijuana didn't become decriminalized, and then legal because people stopped using it.

    There are several examples of citizens refusing to comply with registration, magazine laws etc.
     
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