Extremist-related killings in 2018 'overwhelmingly linked to right-wing' movements: ADL

You want to outlaw a religion of 1.6 billion people?

That is hilarious

 

How many times does this leftist in America myth have to be debunked?

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/402682-nordic-nations-are-not-socialist-theyre-free-trade-lovers

https://www.austriancenter.com/shattering-myth-nordic-socialism/

"Sweden is not socialist -- because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea," says Norberg.




"We did have a period in the 1970s and 1980s when we had something that resembled socialism: a big government that taxed and spent heavily. And that's the period in Swedish history when our economy was going south."



"Per capita GDP fell. Sweden's growth fell behind other countries. Inflation increased.

Even socialistic Swedes complained about the high taxes."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...entary_by_john_stossel/sweden_isn_t_socialist

 

Address the questions I outlined in my post, then I'll address yours.

 

That's even better ......whatever they have I'll take that. It is wonderful that you now agree single payer and generous social programs are NOT socialism.


Fantastic. I will remind you of this. Lol

 

Your questions were irrelevant to facts on the ground in Nazi Germany. Those facts all point to the fact that the Nazis were socialist.

I'll add to that with


"We demand land and soil (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population. …

We demand that the state shall make it its first duty to promote the industry and livelihood of citizens of the state. …

We demand therefore: Abolition of incomes unearned by work. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment due to war must be regarded as a crime against the state. We demand therefore ruthless confiscation of all war gains.

We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts). We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

 

That's fine just don't try and call it socialism in the aforementioned countries and in reality the US has been very close to being these countries since the new deal and Obama moved the ball even further that direction.
By the way Venezuela is true socialism and that is the subject we were discussing

 

In the same logic where a bakery that will not condone a homosexual marriage with a customized cake is sued into bankruptcy for exercising discrimination.

One cannot be right wing and a member of the democrat party at the same time. The two standards are mutually exclusive to one another.

A claim that has yet to actually be proven on the part of yourself.

 

Lil Addie's "I'm a socialist, really" propaganda still works, eh.

 

More evidence of a right winger saying everyone is the same ^^
Proof of Islam being right wing:
Here are all the Indonesia's political parties, the country with the most Muslims: Oh look, every party is right wing:

INDONESIA:



https://www.newmandala.org/mapping-indonesian-political-spectrum/

PAKISTAN:
And here is the winning party of the Pakistani elections: And the winner is, drum roll, the (PTI) party, a right wing party. And second place was, another drum roll, the PML party, another right wing party.
https://hamariweb.com/pakistan-election/

 

Dont ever say again that single payer or generous social programs are socialist.

Deal?

 

They are socialist policies but that alone doesn't make a country socialist. Government annexation of private industry is the tipping point there as happened in Venezuela with the oil industry. When capitalism is replaced by a controlled economy and private business is taken over by the state or given to unions to manage that is when a country becomes socialist. Obama came dangerously close to this with GM.

 

And yet it was the left side of the political divide in the united states who opposed the so-called travel ban implemented by Donald Trump, while the right side of the political divide supported it.

 

Glad to hear your support of socialist policies....since they are part of capitalism

 

I already posted that "The left defend people, not ideologies." ideologies such as religion in this case. That travel ban banned millions of people just because they had the same religion that some extremists follow. The left do not promote collective punishment

 

Factually incorrect. The so-called "travel ban" did not prohibit individuals on the basis of what religion they belonged to. It prohibited individuals on the basis they were traveling from known territories linked heavily to terrorist-related activities.

 

Your interpretation of my position is your own. Unadulterated capitalism can be brutal as recent history with robber barons and monopolies shows. Also I don't want people starving in the streets of America so I'm for limited regulations and social programs. That is a world away from making me a socialist.
As for single payer it sounds great and in theory I'd be for it but I've yet to see the numbers adequately crunched on how it would be funded. Then there's examples of it in other countries that have serious flaws such as long wait times for medical proceedures and lack of innovation in the field. I truly wish single payer could work but I just don't see it as of now.

 

Single payer works great in Canada

 

It works marginally. Long wait times for procedures such as hip replacement surgery where people are left for over a year in extreme pain and unable to work and told to just bide your time while taking pain medication. Other delayed procedures can even result in long term damage or even death.

 

Irrelevant? They're based on actual history on the ground rather than the Orwellian historical revision that you guys are doing; the insanity behind it is unparalleled. The Nazis were right wing and to say otherwise is abhorrently ignorant of true and documented history.

And you label the left as ignorant. The irony.

Answer my questions or we're done here. I'm not going to waste my time on the ridiculous verbal maneuvers you guys try to pull.

 

In the US some people wait forever if you can not afford the massive co payments and deductibles. People with HMO'S will be rationed care. Its awful

 

You cherry pick questions some even on Korea and try to equate it to Nazi Germany. I gave you written Nazi policy. Talk about verbal maneuvering. LOL

 

The purpose of the first question was in regard to labels compared to actions--The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (aka North Korea) is not a type of representative democracy despite their label--the same applies to the "socialist" label of the NDSAP. Questions 2-4 were about actions taken. Question 5 was illustrating current events to bolster the reality of the discussion (no Nazi groups support left wing politicians in the U.S. or Europe). Here's another piece from what I sourced. Emphasis mine:

Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The "socialism" in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority voted for the Communist or Social Democratic parties.

If you want to skirt around the first and last questions, I will allow it. Go ahead and answer questions 2-4.

2) In 1933, Dachau was one of the first concentration camps to have been built and the Nazis initially sent their political enemies there. Who were the two primary political groups the Nazis sent to Dachau?

3) Who were the primary political victims of the Holocaust?

4) In Martin Niemoeller's poem "First they came..." who was the first group he mentioned that the Nazis came for?

 

Except you are the one who correlated the travel ban with Muslims when you wrote "And yet it was the left side of the political divide in the united states who opposed the so-called travel ban implemented by Donald Trump, while the right side of the political divide supported it."

 

Because the so-called "travel ban" was labeled as being based on islamophobia.

 

I gave you Nazi policies that are the definition of socialism along with working examples of state ownership of corporations.. Feel free to present your opinionion with facts to back them as to why you think the Nazi party was not socialist and answer your own questions if you feel the answers make your case.