Taking the Dem Party Down With Them . . . In . . . Victory

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  1. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    The Dem Party is going to war against itself in the form of the Old Guard radicals against the new -- and genuinely mindlessly lunatic -- New Age radicals. The outward form takes the shapes of Nancy Pelosi versus Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the first battle fought was Alexandria's Green New Deal proposal and the House Seat on the newly created Climate Panel.

    https://www.redstate.com/brandon_mo...d-2020-tea-leaves-see-need-put-ocasio-cortez/

    Alexandria doesn't get a coveted seat on that committee and as for the Green New Deal proposal itself Nancy said, "The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?” Ouch!

    Now nobody should mistake Nancy Pelosi as anything other than a radical; but she is an old school leftist who believed that merely demonstrating support for feminism and gay rights and (fill in the blank treasured leftist 'ism) was being in and of itself radical enough. She never intended to crap-can the entire nation or its economy in order to force a radical agenda into existence -- damage and endanger it somewhat, yes. But put it at direct risk of destruction, no. But the New Age radical leftists would cheerfully do precisely that; and so the battle lines are being drawn.

    The party and its leadership, however, did this to itself by ALWAYS encouraging, promoting, and politically bankrolling ANY form of radicalism that came down the pike while seldom intending to really ram those dreams and scams into place. Alexandria OCCASIONAL-CORTEX would never have had enough money to even run for her district on her bartender's income but that people like Pelosi spread the political wealth around in the first place under the notion that more leftwing radicalism was always a good thing to see happen. But she and her fellow string pullers NEVER expected the clowns to try and actually control the circus. But the indulged radicals did not KNOW that they were supposed to be strictly for show. They took themselves and their causes seriously and gradually began to get traction.

    Meanwhile the bulk of the Dem Party itself is inexorably moving farther and farther leftward all the time. The mere fact that a lunatic like Alexandria is being taken seriously by her party and by the leftist-allied News Media is sufficient evidence of that movement trend. So will the dramatically aging Nancy and her fellow political age peers be able to continue to 'manage' the new age radical leftist upstarts or will sheer youthful exuberance and mindless pigheadedness gradually wear down and then supplant the Pelosi old guard?

    Well the thing is that the vacuous minded and ill-educated new age Alexandria style radicals are pretty much the future of the Dem Party since there aren't all that many -- if any -- old style Pelosi radicals coming along. I suspect that in the long run the Alexandria style -- essentially insane -- leftists will win and then take the Dem Party down with them . . . into . . . victory.
     
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    Well, it didn't take long for dems to remind the PEOPLE why they voted dems out of the House in the first place, back in 2010.

    Steve
     
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    Yes, but notice that voters never actually LEARN a political lesson that sticks with them on a lasting basis? One could say that this is why professional propagandists always find work.
     
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    That, and just plain stupidity. Boehner is out, Cantor is out, and Ryan is out before the 2018 election, all while republicans were winning House elections. Dem politicians putting Pelosi back into the speaker position after losing the House is just stupid. I think a dozen or so new dems promised not to nominate her so they will lose their seats at minimum.

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    Remember all those inaccurate "Clown Car" projections of the GOP field in 2016? The Democrat field for 2020 is shaping up to be an entire "Clown Monster Truck Show."
     
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    Exactly! All the holdovers from 2016 that didn't challenge Clinton will be jockeying for position now. I wonder if the DNC already has their winning pick. :D

    Steve
     
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    A lot of duffel bags have to be filled, or at least promised, from foreign interests and lobbies, big domestic cronies in social media and banking, public unions, MSM, etc. before we will know that.
     
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    And who will people vote for then, Republicans again? Unless you have a different Presidential candidate by then I don't think so. Trump is a heavy old albatross

    A lot of those who were saying they wouldn't be voting for Pelosi didn't vote for her indeed, they didn't win.
     
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    That is the lying liberal media's version of events.

    Come election day in 2020, SURPRISE! again.

    Steve
     
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    For the most part you’re right. But, I think Gabbard is the only decent candidate among them.
     
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    Which means she has no prayer of becoming the anointed one. Democrats won't risk jail time stuffing ballot boxes for a decent, honest candidate, needs to be a machine in the background promising grafty rewards down the road.
     
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    It will be interesting and Gabbard and I have different thoughts on most topics, she indeed appears to be rational which almost surely guarantees her demise. If for some reason the dems elect to follow through with one of their wack a doodle candidates watch for Howard Schultz to come in and get serious about running as an independent, which is ironic because the democrats all claim the entire population is against Trump so why fear a moderate democrat running?
     
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    Oh, to have those TRADITIONAL petty concerns, like how to transition in new blood. Oh, the heady days, when Bush used his bullhorn, to shoehorn all those pesky libs into the fold. Those were the days. Not now.

    You, and all the other recalcitrant right wingers, have taken your party to the brink of destruction. LITERALLY. And now, you wish the same on the Democratic Party.

    Let us work out succession. You had your day in the sun, to make decisions. You made criminal and cruel ones. Sorry. So sad, too bad. DEAL with your choices.

    Let us deal with ours.
     
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    You talk about LEARNING LESSONS. You and the right wing use punishment, to TEACH people to choose conservative government.

    You are all about teaching, thru making things hard on them. Giving you guys the power of gov, is a fools mistake.
     
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    Oh most certainly. The DNC always picks their nominee before they hold their primaries. This never seems to particularly bother the average Dem Party voter whom -- I guess -- love shams.
     
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    Green with . . . laughter.

    But this proposal, and especially the accompanying (and withdrawn) fact sheet isn’t merely ludicrously ambitious and devoid of common sense (Eliminate air travel?!? Retrofit “every” building in America?!?). It also reveals a stunning absence of basic knowledge of history and public finance.

    One wonders whether Ms. AOC actually has the time and temperament to collaborate with experts and study an issue, or did Democratic leadership cut her loose and send the real Washington hands off on other projects? Let her primary herself!

    On to specifics. This passage on how the extreme environmental makeover might be financed may have sounded great in a freshman college dorm, but this is a frightening level of ignorance about the structure, legal authorities, independence and role of the Federal Reserve when it comes from a Congressperson as part of a legislative package.
    She wasn’t elected for her knowledge or her competence.
     
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    Correct across the board as usual. Clearly Occasional-Cortex was elected by 'feel good' New York leftists who felt tingles running up and down their legs simply because she howled meaningless socialistic bullet points at them, lied about her background, and said WHATEVER the morons WANTED to hear. Thus she is clearly the political future and the inexorable ideological direction of today's mentally crippled and ethically challenged Dem Party itself. Sweet!
     
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    Donkey Chompers and Sen. Ed Markey hold a news conference for their proposed “Green New Deal” on Capitol Hill, February 7, 2019

    Given that almost everyone running for the Democrat presidential nomination feels obliged to say they’re for her Green New deal, it’s worth taking somewhat seriously.

    “We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years, because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero.”​

    Well, at least the plan isn’t too ambitious. Retrofitting “every building in America” can be done in 10 years, but killing all the gassy cows will take a bit longer.

    It’s a fantasy masquerading as green virtue-signaling. But it’s a fantasy based on a worldview that should be treated seriously because it’s so dangerous. NPR’s Steve Inskeep asked Ocasio-Cortez whether she was comfortable with the “massive government intervention” critics say is required by such an undertaking.

    “We have tried their approach for 40 years,” Ocasio-Cortez replied. “For 40 years we have tried to let the private sector take care of this. They said, ‘We got this, we can do this, the forces of the market are going to force us to innovate.’ Except for the fact that there’s a little thing in economics called externalities. And what that means is that a corporation can dump pollution in the river and they don’t have to pay for it, and taxpayers have to pay.”​

    The fascinating thing is that Ocasio-Cortez thinks this is actually true.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/green-new-deal-dangerous-worldview-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/
     
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    She was elected because of her party after she won a primary attended by 11.8% of the registered Democrats.
     
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    What is with Democrats not bothering to vote and claiming they aren't represented by the results? They were given an opportunity to have a voice in their Party's selection.

    ‘We’re nuts!’ isn’t a great pitch for a Green New Deal

    How will you pay for it?

    The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit.​

    The Federal Reserve is an independent entity - it won't be financing this green agenda just because Donkey Chompers thinks it ought to. As to their legal authority, well, it is widely agreed the Fed can purchase government backed debt. It is not at all obvious why an independent Fed would choose to finance these green projects or whether it would be within their legal scope.

    https://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2019/02/green-with-laughter.html
     
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    They apparently didn't expect to get blindsided by radicals. The radicals are ,,, radical in every respect, including their enthusiasm for radical candidates.
     
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    The difference between a liar and a fool is that the liar knows that they are lying, but the fool believes the lie. Pelosi is a liar. AOC is a fool.
     
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