Isn't declaring a national emergency the same as declaring martial law?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, his problem is the fact that this defies something the Congress specifically denied.

    Checks and balances goes out the window.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually it's far less straightforward than that. It should have gone through the US courts, and to the victims of Iran's terrorism, but Obama wanted to make sure the Muslims got the money before he left office.

    He didn't even get any hostages in return. Instead he released terrorists from Gitmo. Trump would have never financed Iran's Mullahs.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you support Congress denying funds for border security?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I support the Constitution which gives Congress the authority to control the money, while Trump does not support, or respect, the Constitution.

    The Congress funds border security, or we would not have border patrol, or check points etc. They denied the request for additional money for a wall;
     
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    It was a lot less than that. Don't you even know where the money came from?
     
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    Statuatory authority is not the same thing as a spending bill.
     
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    That's their job, isn't it?
     
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    Congress has made it clear what measures the are willing to support in terms of border security. A wall is NOT one of them.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's right, which is how the system was designed by creating three branches of government.

    Why Democrats support and/or ignore human trafficking, drug smuggling and illegal border crossings is a mystery to most. Do you have any idea why this is so?
     
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    Most human trafficking and drug smuggling come through legal checkpoints hidden in legal traffic.

    How would Trump’s wall stop it?

    If it won’t, then why is Trump ignoring human trafficking and drug smuggling?
     
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    No, it's not. The question was rather straightforward.
     
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    Controlling the purse is their Constitutionally mandated job.
     
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    The mystery is why we are building structures in the desert when vast majority of drugs, and human trafficking occurs elsewhere. It seems we are more interested in being able to brag about doing something, while ignoring the actual problem.
     
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    Most? So you're okay with some drug smuggling and human trafficking then. What's your maximum level of acceptance per year?
    Walls would certainly help in stopping human trafficking, especially with children and women, and you'd know that if you read what those working on the border have to say.
    That makes no sense. It's Democrats who are pushing for unsafe and open borders while Trump wants some control. Everyone should be aware of that by now.
     
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    How does pointing out walls won’t stop most human trafficking and drug smuggling mean that I’m okay with either?

    That’s the stupidest ****ing logic I’ve seen on this site in a long time. You should be proud.
     
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    Where is this 'elsewhere'? Are you saying they're going to build walls where they are quite unnecessary? Where are those responsible for border security going wrong and where should the walls be built?
     
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    You have no idea how many drugs cross in areas where there is no wall or people to stop them.

    Only an idiot wouldn't understand that of course you catch more drugs at areas where you have control, over those you do not.

    It also does not address human trafficking and terrorism concerns, which aren't going to intentionally pick the most heavily guarded areas.

    Did the IQ in the US drop like 40 points in the last 10 years?
     
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    The focus should be where vast majority if drugs come in: ports of entry.
     
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    Yes, and protecting the country is the President's job. He has sworn to do that in his oath of office.
     
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    We already know they do, be it San Diego, El Paso, Israel, or all the foreign walls we've paid to be built.

    The same people saying we don't need walls are the ones who built the existing walls.
     
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    Except actual experts who study drug smuggling and drug movement in the US can actually give a good picture of how much comes through legal checkpoints and how much moves across the border from illegal crossings.


    But I forgot. Cannot contradict the Orange Messiah. Anything Der Fuhrer says must be truth and any experts that go against that truth must be lying members of the Deep State peddling fake news.
     
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    You mean you are just guessing that drugs might be coming in elsewhere?
     
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    You used the modifier "most" which can only mean your okay with "some". What I'm asking you is what is an acceptable amount of human trafficking before you feel a wall, or some security barrier, should be built.
     
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    You understand the situations are quite different when there is a city right next to the border compared to open rural terrain, yes?

    I wouldn’t bring up an apartheid state committing ethnic cleansing as a good example of “wall working”. Maybe bring up the Warsaw Ghetto too while you are at it.
     
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    Yeah we've compared areas where we have total control (points of entry), to areas where we have no control.

    Genius logic.

    I know, let's do an experiment and see who drinks more orange juice; you or your neighbor.

    Of course, we aren't allowed in the neighbors house to see, so I guess you drink more in your house.
     

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