Isn't declaring a national emergency the same as declaring martial law?

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  1. Questerr

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    Wait, so now it is okay to blame someone else when you can’t pay your debts?
     
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    You can "lol" all you want.

    The money was for weapon sales to the Shah's government that were never delivered, because he was overthrown by the current jackasses in Iran.
     
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    I know, you don't care about the over 1 a day on average dying while trying to cross, or Angel Moms, or the drugs flowing across.
     
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    I'm sure Trump has plenty of money saved and hasn't defaulted on his student loans. Feel better?

    Bottom line: if you take a loan out, it's your responsibility to pay it back. Yours. No one elses.

    I know that's hard for the "free. free.freefreefreefreefree" crowd, though.
     
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    Whew! Thanks for the permission to LOL.

    Where do you get the idea that a subsequent government magically loses the claim to frozen assets?
     
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    You want me to explain to you how a government that illegally overthrows another government in a coup shouldn't get the previous government's assets?

    So if someone home invades you they should legally get access to your bank account.

    Sounds logical.
     
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    If he can declare a national emergency to build a wall, then certainly he can declare Martial law.
     
  9. Questerr

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    It certainly is convenient for Trump that he was born with a silver spoon up his ass.

    If a debt is your responsibility to pay back, why does Trump constantly blame others for not paying back his debts?
     
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    Cool. This proves my point. Can we get back to the topic now?
     
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    I know Trump lives rent free in your head, but paying what you owe and saving money is no one's fault but your own.

    If you can wrestle with that fact, go through your stages of grief, and come to acceptance, life will get easier. I promise.
     
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    Illegals commit crimes at 2/3rds the rate of US citizens.
     
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    It doesn't prove your point. It directly contradicts it, actually.
     
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    So when Trump blames others for not paying his own debts, he was wrong and lying?
     
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    How is that big powerful government thing working out for you?
     
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    He'll declare national emergency if a mosquito bites his butt-cheek.
     
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    Can you talk without getting triggered about Trump?

    Maybe you could try dealing with the topic you actually brought up, which is why people in such a great economy don't save or pay their bills.

    Give it a shot.

    Respond without saying "Trump" and see if you can get the hang of it.
     
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    Man, can’t get you to maintain a fixed standard the instant Trump is brought into the picture.

    You remind me of the Progressives who mindlessly defended Obama even when he was wrong.
     
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    No, it proved it. It was after the revolution, when the mullahs were in power. Either way, it is irrelevant, because its Irans money no matter how you want to spin it.

    Iran's assets were first frozen by U.S. president Jimmy Carter in 1979, after revolutionaries overthrew the U.S.-allied Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi's administration and took American hostages.
     
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    Oh you failed.

    Try again.

    Explain to us why people don't pay the loans they decided to take in such a good economy without blaming Trump.
     
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    Oh, you wanted them to freeze the legitimate governments assets before they were overthrown?

    So in your scenario Carter should have been omniscient enough to do it before it happened?

    Did he have a time machine?
     
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    Am I allowed to bring up any mitigating factors like I did previously or do those not count unless an Orange Billionaire is the one in debt?
     
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    Trump’s Favorite Iran-Obama Cash Story, Still Bogus No ...

    Trump pulls out of the Iran nuclear deal, what happens next? U.S. President Donald Trump likes to tell a story about the U.S. paying out billions of dollars to Iran as part of the multinational deal freezing its nuclear program and easing sanctions against it. What he doesn’t say is that most of that money was Iran’s to begin with.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057
     
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    You feel it is constitutional because it is your guy and his agenda. You would not feel it was constutional if it were not your guy and was not your agenda.

    Fact is... the word “emergency” is open to interpretation. I will attach a list of emergency declarations. NONE of them involve circumventing normal congressional funding processes. Most of involve blocking trade or finances of people and or nations doing things we do not like. Ie sudan, cuba, terrorism. I guess these actions are extra lagal and no existing laws cover the situation.... which is not true in this case that was only done to circumvent legal processes



    Past emergencies have focused on everything from swine flu to rough diamonds.

    Here's a list of the 28 active national emergencies:

    1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)

    2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)

    3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)

    4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)

    5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)

    6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)

    7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)

    8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)

    9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)

    10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)

    11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)

    12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)

    13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)

    14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)

    15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)

    16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)

    17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)

    18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)

    19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)

    20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)

    21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)

    22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)

    23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)

    24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)

    25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)

    26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)

    27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)

    28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

     
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