Is healthcare a "right?"

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    No, it would incorporate it in to one big one.
     
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    By killing any economic growth and keeping it at 1.8% mean growth for all 8 years of Obamanomics.

    https://www.cagw.org/

    Full rundown on waste fraud and abuse from BOTH parties.
     
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    You make some valid points but where do we draw the line on government programs? Who should decide which programs we keep, which programs we add? Should elected officials decide, should the voter decide? One big problem with US Government is once a program is implemented it never goes away even if it has out lived its purpose. Other programs that were good in theory have completely gotten out of hand. How do we proceed?
     
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    I sent my kids to private schools. For the same money they are much better educated. Do away with that and give that money back to the people to chose where they send their kids.
    The food inspection program works so well thousands of people get sick and die every year.
    Social Security has been robbed and grafted so badly it is no longer solvent. Putting the same money in a 401K would yield several times the return and you could leave what is left to your heirs.
    I thought all you libs hated the out of control cops. Surely you wouldn't mind getting rid of all those minority abusers.
    Many communities have fire departments that are not funded by government monies.
     
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    I think much of the administraion of Medicaid could go away given a good implementation of Medicare For All.

    There wouldn't need to be the same income qualificattion/verification and the coverage and other administration rules wouldn't be separate. Thus, it could simply be replaced by Medicare.
     
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    Not sure where you live but if a private school costs the same as public school then I'm not so sure your kids got a better education
    Think of how many more people would get sick and die if we didn't have food inspections. Not to mention, some people get sick and die from food that was tainted when prepared and cooked. FDA has nothing to do with that.
    How many communities in the US have fire departments that are not funded by govt monies? Keep in mind even volunteer fire departments may be financially supported by taxes raised in a city, town, county, fire district, or other governmental entity, as well as corporate and other private donations, federal grants, and other assistance from auxiliary members, or firefighters' associations.
     
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    Farmers want food inspection programs. Look what happens when some farm has a problem - the entire production of that crop in a general area can get wiped out before the problem gets isolated.

    Employee 401k accounts have not done that well. It's not just market volatility. It's that people choose to withdraw the money even though they have to pay penalties. The result is that they end up on SS and other soccial safetynet serviices even though they once had a 401k.

    I have NO idea what you are hoping to imply by noting that there are community fre departments.
     
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    Certainly not by taking them all away as the poster suggested
     
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    Why should we pay money for you to send your kid to private school? It’s not government money. You said you don’t like government programs and that includes education so if you want to educate your child pay with your own money , make all schools private.
    Tell me about the thousands of people who die every year because of poor food inspection. I’m grateful for the inspector so find contaminants in food.Can you imagine how many would die if we didn’t have inspection? How about some yummy horse meat.
    Nothing is stopping you from putting money in your 401(k) but you are aware some people lose all that money. Social Security is a safety net
    And of course you are a true extremist and assume that liberals hate out of control cops. You should hate out of control cops too but I am not talking about them , I am talking about most cops who are good. Communities Are not funded by government money? You mean There is no government assistance for this? Or are you talking about the volunteers?
     
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    Which programs do you think we should do away with? But like you say who decides? What you might think it’s a good program I may not
     
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    You need to read more. You obviously are blowing smoke.
     
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    If you are not aware the private school education is better, I am probably wasting my time conversing with you. You are probably a product of the public school system so I will try to use single syllable words for you. Graduation rates for private schools are 20% higher than public schools. College entrance rates are equally much greater and college graduation rates are twice as high.

    As for the rest of this, I am simply pointing out that there are alternatives. Often these alternatives are just as good or superior and far less costly.

    Open your eyes man. Government programs are run by bureaucrats with the sole purpose of making more jobs for bureaucrats.
     
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    Hahahaha...you seem utterly confused. I never made a blanket statement about private school education not being better than public schools. Seems you might be product of not finishing high school.
    What is your suggestion of a better idea for testing food and drugs than the FDA? What is your suggestion for something other than municipal run fire and police departments?
     
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    Good smoke screen!
     
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    That didn't really answer the question I asked. It appears to indicate what we should not do and not what we should do.
     
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    I feel many of the government programs we have in place need fixing; they have become things that were never intended. Take the whole group of programs that us baby boomers call Welfare. It is so far from its original concept to give people a helping hand. There are people in my family who are third generation living on the government; that was not the intent. We have reached a point where some of these welfare programs provide a better standard of living for the recipient than a paying job. While as a nation we can help our underprivileged you and I both know there are tens of thousands if not millions taking advantage of the system. Let's do away with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We should reorganize the entire US Military. There are way too many redundancies in the military. In my opinion Social Security, Medicare and public education could all use some fixing.
     
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    Here, read your own statement. It is confusing, it runs on forever. You must have skipped English Comp. Maybe they didn't offer that in your public school. In private schools, kids learn about punctuation in the second grade.

    "Not sure where you live but if a private school costs the same as public school then I'm not so sure your kids got a better education"
     
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    Hahaha...now notice the part in red...that is the key part you somehow missed. Context is everything.

    I'm guessing it doesn't take much to confuse you.
     
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    This is one of the myths that people like you believe , that private school education is better because you’re paying money for it. I keynote to public and private schools all over the country. One of the biggest problems private schools have is losing their best teachers once they pass the teachers exam. And yes they have a higher graduation rate because they kick out kids that don’t make them look good and they go to public schools. There are some amazing private schools and some amazing public schools and I always say at school is as good as it’s students .
     
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    Are you saying that you have a right for me (or any other person) to provide you healthcare?
     
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    All those programs get fixing every year - or more frequently.
    Well, you do have to watch private schools for that kind of problem.

    However, there are stats you can look at - such as the ratings given highschools by college admittane departments - the ones who weigh what a GPA means at your high school.

    In Seattle, there are outstanding public and private high schools.
     
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    What of my post led you to ask such a question??? My post doesn’t even mention healthcare.
     
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    Really? Care to enlighten me on how? Pick a couple of the government programs I mentioned and explain in detail how they were "fixed" last year.

    I don't mean that to come across as rude. Just would like you provide that information so I can see what you are talking about.

    Rich
     
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    Ideally yes, like you have a right for me to,provide you with public education
     
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    Why all the noise about private schools kicking out students? Public schools do the same thing.

    87 percent of the students go to college from this private school.

    https://www.niche.com/k12/de-la-salle-high-school-concord-ca/

    By the way this is the top ranked high school football program nationally with the record of consecutive wins. They won 152 consecutive games.

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    How are grades calculated?
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    2. Diversity
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    3. Teachers
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    4. College Prep
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    5. Clubs & Activities
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    De La Salle High School is a highly rated, private, all-boys, Catholic school located in Concord, CA. It has 1,050 students in grades 9-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 20 to 1. Tuition is $18,550 for the highest grade offered. After graduation, 87% of students from this school go on to attend a 4-year college.

    Compare the cost to public schools in Ca.

    https://calbudgetcenter.org/resourc...t-k-12-education-improving-still-lags-nation/

    Keep in mind that as high schools go, De La Salle is tiny. We have in general for CA high schools .... I planned to give you the run down but the way CA handles this. the problem is you need to pass through a minefield just to assemble the numbers. They make it next to impossible to nail the numbers of cost per student.
     
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