Is healthcare a "right?"

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  1. Vegas giants

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    I would say that any healthcare public plan presented must include a provision that deductibles and co payments must not increase greater than the rate of inflation and benefits must not decrease for those on Medicare currently.


    Deal?
     
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    I think my comment directly addresses your #29953, where you wonder about how (or whether) programs change.

    I cited changes proposed by Trump to the legislature - which shows how they change.

    That is, the legislature makes changes in these programs as it is their job. And, you can lobby congress and vote. And, the president can state a direction as per my cite.
     
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    I don't think SCOTUS lies but you don't have such a good reputation. Show us your source.
     
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    You have good instincts Rich. Before you start collecting medicare you probably paid into it for more than 40 years. Probably a $100,000 or more. However that money is not there anymore. Obama took $713 billion and rolled it into Obama Care to hide the real cost. Now, you and the other 44 million in Medicare rely on taxes from the 140 million working people to pay for your coverage. Now the Dims say they will put another 290 million people in this program. These people have not paid into it like you and the amount of tax income coming in won't change. Experts say it will cost $3 trillion a year. What could go wrong?
     
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    Not after the insult.

    FAPE.


    Look it up yourself. Guess what the f stands for. Lol
     
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    When I reach 65 I will have no co-payments or deductibles. If the cost of my supplemental insurance is not changed by single payer and I don't lose that supplemental then deal!
     
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    See....that was not so hard
     
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    The hard part is that no one actually seems to know. Seems we will just dump a bunch of crap into a Petri dish, smear it around then wait and see what grows.
     
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    Failure to substantiate your position and thereby forfeited duly noted for the record.
     
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    All of the fallacies about private schools being "better" have already been debunked!
     
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    Why not fix it so that profitable corporations pay better wages than welfare? Then there would be an INCENTIVE for people to come off welfare.
     
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    Obviously the product of the failing private school system! ;)
     
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    Thank you for posting that your own Confirmation Bias is what is preventing you from dealing with this issue in an impartial manner.
     
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    https://www.crfb.org/papers/american-health-care-health-spending-and-federal-budget

    What is "wrong" with SAVING half a TRILLION dollars per year on healthcare spending?
     
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    Maybe a better way to have worded it would have been to say "No one has been able to show me". I would think that if someone could show me that my costs won't change then I would be more supportive of the whole Medicare For All.
     
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    A sound idea. How do you see it working? I wouldn't think that corporations could or would simply start paying higher wages. The only way it would work is for those corporations to cut into their profits and the profits of their shareholders. Otherwise the only way for a corporation to pay higher wages is to raise the price of the products they produce. If prices go up workers demand higher wages and we are right back where we started.
     
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    If you have a right to healthcare I dont see why you wouldn't have a right to a house, to food, to a job, to $50/hour, to college, to post grad education, to child care, to recreation, to candy, to pies, to ribs, to gumbo, to plywood, and alligator shoes.

    Oh, and an assortment of electric guitars. You have to buy your own strings unless you don't have enough money.
     
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    I'm all for it. Lets make all the rich people pay for it!
     
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    Tired of hearing you repeat this lie.......so:

    San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez, U.S. Supreme Court, 1973

    Held that: "No fundamental right to education guaranteed in the Constitution".

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/411/1
     
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    No it did not.

    FAPE has been decided in a dozen decisions.

    Let's clear this up. Name one child in America denied a public education for failure to pay tuition.



    Just one will do
     
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    "Powell led the narrow majority in deciding that the right to be educated (as a child of school age or an uneducated adult), was neither 'explicitly or implicitly' textually found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. It was therefore, not anywhere protected by the Constitution."
     
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    And yet every single child in America can not be denied this right.

    1973? There have been a dozen FAPE cases since then



    Just name one kid
     
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    Since your supplemental insurance is via the PRIVATE healthcare insurers there is no way to guarantee that the costs won't change. What I can predict is that even WITHOUT Medicare for All the cost of your supplemental insurance WILL INCREASE because of the PROFIT motive behind private insurance.

    That makes the determining factor to be WHY do you even NEED supplemental insurance?

    If Medicare for All eliminated the need for supplemental insurance then that means that any increases would automatically be regulated to the cost of living which is mostly covered under SS COL increases.

    Furthermore if Medicare for All applies the SAME fixed for life premium criteria that it currently does when someone turns 65 then your premium will actually DECREASE as you get older.

    That would eliminate the current risk you are running with supplemental insurance.
     
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    The only way to make this concept work is to adopt the same laws and regulations governing corporations that exist in the western social democracies. In essence they have struck a balance between paying living wages and making a reasonable profit. Yes, prices for products are higher but people adapt and tend to spend more wisely as a result. Do I NEED or just WANT the latest iPhone? Personally I keep my phones for as long as they are functional which ranges from 5 to 8 years. I keep my cars for 8+ years. I repair my own household appliances rather than buying new ones. All of these changes in consumer behavior result in a more stable economy and more local work for people who specialize in repairing rather than replacing. Plumbers, mechanics and electricians earn a whole lot more than sales people do.
     
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    You're making a ridiculous point. Public schooling is established in every state by state law. But that's a matter of public policy, not "rights." In other words, the states are not compelled to provide free public education. But they do it anyway, so why claiim it as a right?

    It's like claiming you have a right to a restroom in every school because I can't find "even one school that doesn't have one! Just name one. I double dog dare ya!!"

    See?

    Second, this FAPE law you keep citing is a law (not a constitutional right) that says kids with disabilities have to be given a reasonable education. It's meant to prevent discrimination against them, not to establish an affirmative right to public education for all, which, again, would make as much sense as passing a law that requires the establishment of fire departments in big cities.
     
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