Why aren't feminists complaining that there aren't enough female garbage collectors

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    So what rights do women not have that men do you have currently?
     
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    so women get arrested for walking in the streets at night?
    that's a lie there was the equal pay act making it illegal to pay women less because they're women.

    It's a different job title. just because the work is comparable doesn't mean it's the same. If a company offers opportunity for administrative assistant they can't discriminate against women that's against the law.

    So we've got this idea that women have a curfew which is preposterous. And the pay Gap myth.
     
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    I can't agree to that, as you have stated it. I don't think 'accountability' has anything to do with it, unless I am misunderstanding your use of it.

    Those women who think and react as the poster here does, has a martyr complex... SHE did all the fighting, why don't other people have more respect for those who made your rights possible, and then proceeds to use the equality that has been gained, as a baseball bat to attempt to dominate men.

    That's not what equality is about. Women like that poster are not the ones who actually got things done, IMO. As with many things, there were events behind the scenes that moved things forward. Then in 1974, the Senate passed an act called the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, which made it illegal to discriminate against someone based on their gender, race, religion and national origin.
    Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...g-credit-cards-180949289/#PDBRVzYtXIhgkIF3.99

    But according to the poster on here, certain people did it single handedly, and the fight is not yet won. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Renee

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    No..it was me. I made all the changes single handedly. Your accusation is so typical of an extremist. All or nothing. I never said certain people did it single-handedly.I guess the equal credit opportunity act just happened in a vacuum. There were millions Of women and men who made the changes. They all helped Me (sarcasm alert)
    I love it when people say it’s illegal to discriminate and actually believe that discrimination ends. Jim Crowe became illegal and thank goodness there was never any more racism LOL
     
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    Made up facts??? That statistic comes from a study by The National Academy of Sciences


    For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions.

    If you’re preferred 2:1, you’re not being discriminated against. Some people might even suggest a 1:1 preference of identically qualified candidates would be equality and a 2:1 preference for women over identically qualified male candidates is actually an indication of discrimination against men, not women.



    Stephen J. Cecil and Wendy M. Williams, “National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...ulty-positions
     
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    Women have equality.
     
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    Have you actually read your own posts?? It's exactly how you come across, that you were the leading factor. I am far from an extremist, but your paint brush reaches far and wide.

    Please quote specifically, where I said there was no more discrimination or racism. You can't because it doesn't exist. What exists are laws, and because those laws exist, there is recourse. If you keep looking for someone who is violating those laws, I'm sure you'll find them, but you, by your own words, seem to think that you have to keep treating everybody as though they were violating those laws.

    You make yourself angry and bitter that way.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    That's not what I asked. Once again, are the entry requirements (ie, grades) exactly the same for all .... regardless of race or gender?

    PS: I'm not interested in what happens after. Universities decide that stuff once they know you've MET THE MINIMUM GRADE requirement. If medicine requires close an overall grade of 99.9%, the school only takes 20 students per year, but 1000 with that grade apply, the school makes the final selection according to the qualities demonstrated in the individuals via extra curriculars etc. It doesn't change the fact that there is a minimum grade requirement.
     
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    Right, there's an increase. They are still outnumbered, and that's because most women don't want those jobs. We don't want to work 16 hour days.
     
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    No one can safely walk the streets at night. We built fires back in the cave days to ward off the dangers of the night. This is fundamental animal stuff, not an issue of 'rights'. I have the right to never burp, but damn .. it keeps happening.

    We're not discussing 'comparable' work, we're discussing IDENTICAL work. And for this, women are paid the same as men.
     
  11. Renee

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    Speak for yourself you hardly represent all women. Even if you’re right that women don’t want those jobs, that’s their choice and at least they have the choice. Perhaps you should go back to the good old days when we didn’t have those choices
     
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    Exactly. That's the point.
     
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    For some reason I can’t believe you are a woman. That you think that you are just as safe is a man on the streets belies the fact that you are a woman...or perhaps just extremely unattractive. Men don’t have to suffer the indignities of being hooted at like an animal, or have their asses grabbed or like our president does..grabs oussies,
    I gave you the example of two people doing the same work and the men getting more pay because they had a different title of administrative assistant versus secretary. That has been pointed it out and hopefully corrected
     
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    I don't believe that men are necessarily 'safe' walking the streets at night. You apparently do.

    I liked your attempt to insult though .. that was fun to watch :D
     
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    I think it is very unfortunate, that you addressed his question in your unBecoming way that chose here.



    My grandaddy was a garbage collector, he brought home some cool stuff over 30yrs too. 1978 - 2008. City of Los Angeles sanitation dept. Now he walks down his driveway once a month, for the rest of his life, and takes that niiiice $5000+/mo pension check out of that mailbox. Plus he's an Entreprenuer. Thanks to savings he used, over decades, to launch himself a photog venture.

    Oh well, enough about my garbageman kin LOL and if you decide to address his question on-topic then please mention me. Please? Because I don't come in this thread daily and would NOT want to miss a respectful response from you.
     
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  16. Renee

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    Men fear getting raped.:who are men afraid of.? Other men! Maybe we should give men curfews LOL I remember many years ago when I took a gym class out in the schoolyard. The girls were wearing shorts and the local boys stood outside the fence and made all the sexist comments and sounds. My principal told me I may not take out a Girls anymore. I really got angry and I said that I will not punish the girls.I suggested he call the police to get rid of the boys and he did
     
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    Sorry if you see a legitimate question as being disrespectful. I will ask it again. Would you encourage your children to be garbage collectors? There is nothing wrong with that but most of us would prefer our children to do some other line of work. Since you’re a grandfather was a garbage collector and did so well, did you follow in his footsteps? The question is why aren’t women choosing to be garbage collectors. It is not a desirable profession for men or women to strive for so why should women fight to do it? Perhaps you can answer that
     
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    Yeah, if a woman has any looks at all she can always be a prostitute.
     
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    psychoanalyzing
     
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    Why do you so desperately want women to be discriminated against???

    You would think, as Feminists, you would be happy women are no longer being discriminated against, and it's simply a matter of women making better choices if they want to make more money and have more power.

    But that is accountability, and Feminists are not working for accountability-right???

    On the contrary, Feminists are working to absolve women of what little accountability they do have-relative to men, right???
     
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    ...hmmmm...

    Where did I say your response was, disrespectful?

    ...

    anyhue...Here's the part I thought was very unfortunate, that you focused on him instead of focusing on the topic:

     
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    Oh no another poor little oppressed white guy. And the fact that you believe that women are no longer discriminated against shows you’re just why women are still fighting. I guess the me too movement is fake news and all the women are lying.
     
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    I certainly agree that just because the majority in a field are men or women doesn't mean any discrimination happened and that your argument is a good point against people who believe this. However feminists tend to focus on higher income jobs, because these jobs really determine who has the power. Feminists want women to be equally represented with men in powerful positions so that the sexes are equal.
     
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    You must be male to make a statement like that. Most women fear for their safety to walk the streets at night. Rape is a shocking crime. Just about every woman has a female friend or a female family member or a colleague who has been raped.

    What a terrible, ignorant statement to make.
     
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    Feminist 1: "You know, there aren't enough female garbage collectors in the world. That really bothers me."

    Feminist 2: "Yes, I know. I couldn't sleep last night worrying there weren't enough female garbage collectors in the world."

    Feminist 1: "It's a travesty!"

    Feminist 2: "My God, it's terrible! However will we cope?!!!"
     
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