Martial Arts, Self Defense, and Combat Sports

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  1. leftlegmoderate

    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    I've never heard that, but on many occasions I've heard that 'such and such art was designed to allow smaller, weaker people defeat larger opponents'.

    Striking requires speed, and speed is definitely beneficial for other types of fighting technique (like grappling), but doesn't have to be your greatest attribute. Proper technique is the most important thing, coupled with a recognition of when to apply what attack/counter/defense... etc.

    The difference between good and bad technique is incredible. For example, throwing someone is nearly effortless when done correctly. Done incorrectly, it barely works, if it works at all, and requires a great amount of strength. Joint locks and chokes can take very little effort, but the difference between a choke/joint lock working or not can be a matter of a very slight repositioning of your body or their joint.
     
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    fighTIPS youtube channel. Like it. Seems like he knows what he is talking about and knows how to talk about it.
     
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    Verne Gagne, RIP



    Gagne, a Minnesota native, was an all-American wrestler for the Gophers in college before becoming a star in the National Wrestling Alliance during the “golden age” of television. Gagne joined the American Wrestling Association in 1960, instantly becoming its biggest attraction before eventually buying and promoting the outfit.

    “He was a pioneer in modern day era wrestling,” legendary wrestling announcer Gene Okerlund told the Minnesota Star Tribune. “He was one of the first guys who became a television star. He was one of the first good-looking young guys. And I mean he was a real baby face. The gals loved him, the guys respected him because he was also one of the tough-nosed guys.”

    Gagne won the AWA heavyweight title 10 times between 1960 and 1981, and he is one of a select few to have been inducted into four major wrestling halls of fame (WWE, WCW, Pro Wrestling and Wrestling Observer).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ns-the-passing-of-verne-gagne-who-died-at-89/
     
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    I've trained with a 'professional wrestler' before, and surprisingly, he knew some practical things. Gotta respect them for their athleticism if nothing else.
     
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    Many pro wrestlers come from an amateur background. Even if they dont, they likely train with guys that do.
     
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    the Happy Warrior


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    Miss Roxxi has been known to appear at weigh ins wearing Halloween costumes such as:


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    A very charming and friendly athlete who works very hard in the cage and is a genuine winner.


    I've had many female athletic heroes in my many years and she is one of my very favorites.
     
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    Paige Van Zant - beautiful & talented mixed martial artist:


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    It is sold with a steel rimmed bowler?
     
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    Pretty girl, nice feet.
     
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    well...no offense to MMA, its alright, but give me WBC anyday....that's the elite of endurance and stamina, going 10+ rounds strategy, thinking, etc.

    MMA, half the time, is grabbing for the crotch to flip the guy on the ground, groping, submission holds, etc, and probably could never get close to going 10 rounds, like in professional boxing.
     
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    Comparing apples to microwaves. A boxer could NEVER last 3 rounds in MMA, much like most MMA folks won't last 10 rounds with a boxer. MMA is a much more physical fight where most anything goes. Choke outs, arm bars (ouch), kicks to the face....etc.
     
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    At my age a twelve gauge is acceptable as a form of defense...
     
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    I did Arnis for a while, but after I moved to Austin, I'm having a hard time finding a reasonably-priced FMA class. I might get back into ARMA though. My old roomie used to be an instructor and I enjoyed sparring with him, and there is a group that meets close to my house.
     
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    The thing to remember about a gunfight is that it is still a fight. Anything goes. In close quarters it can go to the ground too when you try to draw and shoot but your gun and you get grabbed, or else your gun gets grabbed while still in the holster.

    In close quarters, a knife is always your best bet. The new doctrine coming out of A-stan on where to wear your knife for CQB is as close to the middle of your upper chest as possible so you can draw it while using both of your forearms to block with.

    In intermediate distance of 6 to 10 feet stick fighting or a baton is fastest. You can miss a shot with a gun, and most shooters do. But you seldom miss a swing with a baton.
     
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    Plus you can use it like a baseball bat too.
     
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    I started studying martial arts and lifting weights, at about age ten, I believe. The first significant purchase I ever made with my own money, was a weight set - money I made by mowing lawns. I formally studied judo and informally studied various techniques from karate and kung fu. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I would often spar with a few friends who studied the arts.

    But as a practical matter, unless you are really good, trying to do anything fancy can leave you vulnerable. Because I wasn't an expert, I always knew to keep it simple and make it count. The only things from formal training I have ever used in a real fight, were a foot sweep, and a hip throw. A good foot sweep can leave a person unconscious, which is pretty much what happened. Obviously basic fighting techniques come into play but nothing fancy.

    I had a friend, the cousin of a friend really, who was ranked something like 3rd nationally, as a Golden Gloves fighter. He had a ring in his back yard and he offered to go a few rounds. So we went six rounds in the ring. And it wasn't pretty. :D

    I do have a badass sidekick. Just for fun, I tore down a small shed using nothing but my feet once [with shoes!].
     
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    beauty, strength, and talent = what a great combination!
     
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    'keep it simple'...that was the advice my 9th degree Tae Kwon Do instructor always gave... leave the 'fancy spinning kicks only in studio', if you slip you're going down and then you've got a serious problem...he taught if facing multiple opponents 'hit the immediate(leader) threat first' then run away, also 'hit first, hit hard then leave, don't wait for the guy to get up'... 'don't box with a boxer, don't let a wrestler get hold of you' ...'if someone pulls a gun, give him your money this is not Hollywood he will kill you' ...'if man pulls out knife, run away it's not a gun' ...and his favourite 'if you can, always walk away from a fight, people die in fights'
     
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    Wrestling on this thread?
     
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    Absolutely... Wrestling is a Martial Art for sure. My son wrestles with Rampage Jackson's son on his High School team and went undefeated in league last year. This year was another story, as a new coach came into one of the best schools in SoCal and didn't let him wrestle, because he missed practice with Staph Infection at the start of the season. It was a tragedy to see a kid have his motivation destroyed by a new coach that is either incompetent or political. The program will collapse in 2 years when the very talented Sophmore class graduates.
     
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    Update on my son. He finished his youth Jiu Jitsu training at age 15 and received his Green Belt. Green is as high as a kid can go. You cannot receive a Black Belt until you are 18 and that is incredibly rare. You almost have to be a Grace.

    He Wrestled his Freshman Year in High School and went 14-4. His only losses were in tournaments. Tournament placements were in order: 5th (2 losses), 3rd (1 loss), 3rd (1 loss), and 1st. He swept league with no losses. He had a great coaching staff that was broken up at the end of the season as the head coach retired.

    His Sophomore year was a disaster as a new coach came into one of the best schools in SoCal and didn't let him wrestle, because he missed practice with Staph Infection at the start of the season. It was a tragedy to see a kid have his motivation destroyed by a new coach that is either incompetent or political.

    I had finally had enough and wrote the coach a very precisely worded and diplomatic email. To which the coach put the blame on my son, but let him compete in the JV Wrestle Off with the kid that had been JV (145 lbs) all year. My son pinned him in under 15 seconds. This allowed my son to wrestle in the Lowe League Finals. My son swept the tournament for 1st and I got harassed by other parents, former coaches there, and even a coach from another school on why he was not competing all season. I told them... "I really am not sure. This is the first time he was given a Wrestle Off to compete." The looks on their faces was classic each and every time. He is transferring schools if he decides to Wrestle next year and will be held out for part of the season if he wrestles. Suddenly, the coach is real interested in him. I honestly don't think the new coach was paying attention and didn't know my son's capabilities. My son has zero desire to wrestle for this coach and I have told him he can go back to competing and training BJJ if that is what he wants... or he can just get a job like a normal kid and learn the workplace.

    The program will collapse in 2 years when the very talented Sophmore class graduates.
     
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    I hope he gives it another shot his junior year.
     
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    Also, give the new coach a little time to get up to speed. It is not easy taking up a program.
     
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    he is a superior fighter and Alpha male, will set a good example for the beta males on how to be men.

    kudos
     
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