Following Don's 2 hr CPAC speech fact checkers collapse from exhaustion.

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  1. vman12

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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I know, what I've always known, is even when presented with facts Trumpers stick by their man.
     
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    Yet you don't discuss facts.

    I've already explained clearly how none of your 3 examples are "lies".

    I've asked you to present your best example from this list of what you think constitutes a "lie", yet you avoid doing so.

    You've not explained how any of them are "lies".

    I'm not the one with the emotional argument. You are.
     
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    See, here's an example of a "distortion of truth" from your "fact checkers".

    Wind turbines might only kill 5 each, but that's still anywhere between 150k-350k birds every year.

    https://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

    I'm sure if every gun in the US only killed 5 people a year you'd be ok with that.
     
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    If he is successful in delivering on promises, those things do not matter in the least. Do you not understand that the ONLY thing that matters to most voters is what their preferred politician can do for that voter and that voters tribe. This is not unique to Trump voters, it is a HUMAN thing.
     
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    Why did you listen to the speech?
     
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    You'd think out of "100 false or misleading claims", the OP could give us one irrefutable one.
     
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    LeeAtwater has the worst case of TDS in America.
     
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    More trolling from the usual suspects.
     
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    Not this OP.
     
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    And as I've already explained clearly the Wa Po puts misleading claims (like his remark about wind energy) and lies under the same umbrella.

    In 773 days, President Trump has made 9,014 false or misleading claims


    Unless you feel he was speaking about Australia that is.

     
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    And I've already explained why the 3 things you listed were not misleading claims.

    Wind farms killing 5 birds each is, itself, the misleading claim, when they kill hundreds of thousands of birds every year.

    Trying to say they "only" kill 5 each, instead of saying they kill anywhere from 150k to 350k, is an attempt to mislead.

    You refusing to give, and you're unwillingness to discuss individual claims, shows how misleading this thread and your entire narrative are.
     
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    Not any of them.
     
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    You certainly tried, something for which you deserve credit. The thing is.......you failed. You even failed to appreciate there are differences between the electrical grids for the US and Australia in your erroneous attempt to use Australia as a way to bail Don out of his statement.........which displayed his ignorance of the facts. His ignorance was again on display when he misstated what is contained in the Green New Deal. Comments fully deserving of being labeled a "misleading claim," because they were.
     
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    There is no difference between an electrical grid that runs on renewables only, no matter where it is located.

    As I linked, the people who run the grid in the US also said it would not work.

    Let me know when you guys find that $90 trillion for your "Green New Deal" that will put most of the country out of work.

    Talk about ignorance.
     
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    You understand a grid is a physical thing with significant variations, right?

    https://www.powermag.com/which-countrys-grid-is-the-smartest/
     
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    Maybe it would be instructive if we went back and reviewed what Don said, and then I'm done.

    “When the wind stops blowing, that’s the end of your electric.”

    That statement is directly contradicted by the facts.

    • He repeatedly referred to “problems” when the wind doesn’t blow. It’s true that lack of wind prevents turbines from generating energy, but these pauses do not create problems that power grid operators can’t handle.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/trump-again-overblows-risks-of-wind-power/
     
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    That makes no difference since the means by which electricity is transmitted, the grid, can vary it terms of capacity, technology, quality, and reliability.
     
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    And yet the "grid operators" say they can't handle it.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/05/green-new-deal-could-break-parts-of-the-us-power-system.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-green-new-deals-impossible-electric-grid-11550705997

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-12/a-green-new-deal-isn-t-ready-for-prime-time

    Let us know when you find the 90 trillion that will put most of the US out of work, and make gas and oil so cheap that China and India will only consume even more than they are now.

    That's some genius stuff right there.
     
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    Not when the only way it generates power is when the wind blows.

    Like I said, if you guys find a treasure chest with 90 trillion in it, let us know.
     
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    Which begs the question, "How can anyone who actually values honesty or integrity, really support Trump with a vote?"
     
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    That's because the people with the least honesty and integrity want to get rid of him.
     
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    Your post makes no sense. Trump sets the example here, and with over 9,000 confirm-able lies to his discredit, how could we find an organized group of people wanting to get rid of Trump who could surpass his record for dishonesty?
     
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    Oh, 9000 confirm-able lies.

    Sounds serious.

    Give me one.
     

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