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Oh...to be a rich old white man in America

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Mar 7, 2019.

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    You hurt seems to be oozing today... Perhaps there is an appropriate ointment...

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    drluggit, Mar 8, 2019
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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you consider it race baiting to point out the disparity between how white and black people are treated in the criminal justice system?
     
    Lee Atwater, Mar 8, 2019
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  3. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Most of what he was whining about, Manafort hasn't been setenced for yet. Cohen who cheated the IRS out of million$ ... defrauded financial institutions? 1 yr less, and it settled both jurisdictions. Know what would be ironic? Cohen predicted he'd be "whacked in prison" ... like maybe by Paul Manafort down at club fed? ::):
     
    PrincipleInvestment, Mar 8, 2019
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  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not believe it is white vs black. I believe you can buy all the justice you can afford to buy.

    Blacks need to start trying to become billionaires rather than live in poverty.

    You have one young person (Kardashian) who set the record for youth becoming a billionaire. And she hangs around blacks all the time. Her entire family favors only blacks.

    Should she get arrested, she can afford the most expensive lawyer.
     
    Robert, Mar 8, 2019
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  5. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That doesn't sound right. I know they get pulled over and arrested more (and I don't think that's ok) but once it actually gets to court do blacks get penalized more for the same crime as a white person would? Like would a white person get 10 years for armed robbery but a black person gets 10 plus 2 extra for blackness? Is that how it works?
     
    Darthcervantes, Mar 8, 2019
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  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My bad for going off topic but................REALLY!!!??? There are so many things wrong with that sentiment I hardly know where to begin.
     
    Lee Atwater, Mar 8, 2019
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Research Confirms that Entrenched Racism Manifests in Disparate Treatment of Black Americans in Criminal Justice System

    https://www.vera.org/newsroom/press...of-black-americans-in-criminal-justice-system

    The Numbers Don’t Speak for Themselves: Racial Disparities and the Persistence of Inequality in the Criminal Justice System

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721418763931
     
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    Lee Atwater, Mar 8, 2019
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  8. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

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    More ageism racism and sexism from Democrats...
     
    TheGreatSatan, Mar 8, 2019
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    My mind isn't made up on the matter of his sentencing, but rich old white guys certainly do enjoy some of the greatest comfort and privilege that human civilization has to offer in modern times. Actually, being a rich anybody anywhere is generally the way to be.
     
    Durandal, Mar 8, 2019
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  10. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Per the article:

    "Also, a 2013 study found that federal prosecutors are more likely to charge black people than similarly situated white people with offenses that carry higher mandatory minimum sentences"

    I don't think that happens as much these days but I can't prove it and at least you linked something about it
     
    Darthcervantes, Mar 8, 2019
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  11. ThisCharmingMan

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    I LOVE how GEOTUS has LeeAtwater just spinning out of control. His life is in shambles for 6 more years!!
     
    ThisCharmingMan, Mar 8, 2019
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  12. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    So, what kind of penalty would a minority guy face if he were to steal $15M from the federal government through 8 findings of criminal guilt?

    This was a crystal clear case of "white guy" justice.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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  13. WillReadmore

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    Well, you muffed that.

    This sentence was WAY outside the penalty range for this kind of crime, as determined by looking at similar cases.

    NOBODY has suggested mandatory minimums.

    The issue is rational equality in sentencing.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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  14. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Clumsy dodge!
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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  15. Dayton3

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    That depends on his previous history.
     
    Dayton3, Mar 8, 2019
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  16. struth

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    Another massive swing and a mess! The left just over blows it all the time now
     
    struth, Mar 8, 2019
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  17. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Manafort's history is that he has been found guilty of numerous federal crimes besides the 8 of this particular case.

    The additional crimes include guilty pleas for the 10 crimes for which the Ellis jury didn't return a guilty verdict!

    And, he has shown absolutely zero remorse for ANY of them.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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    Pants Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention that he lied to the special counsel when he agreed to cooperate, AND he continued breaking the law after he'd been indicted.
     
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  19. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Why should "remorse" be an issue if he is guilty?

    And I'm talking about him not having a criminal history prior to these most recent crimes.
     
    Dayton3, Mar 8, 2019
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  20. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Even Judge Ellis, who has been on the side of the defense of Mueller from the start, stated that he was surprised that Mueller expressed no remorse. It goes to the question of whether he even knows right from wrong, or intends to abide by the law in the future, should he ever get out of prison.

    Mueller's criminal history goes back quite a ways as indicated by the numerous findings and pleas of guilt.

    One question I have:

    Will Mueller now have to pay back the $15M in taxes that he dodged through his criminal behavior?

    Or, does he just get to keep that?

    I mean, I know he's getting older, but $15M over 47 months is pretty good pay, wouldn't you say?
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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  21. Steady Pie

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    Sounds like he's on Putin's payroll too.

    A 25 year sentence is excessive for anything except murder, rape 1, serious child abuse, and terrorism.

    For what he did 5 years seems appropriate. 47 months is a little too small in my estimation.
     
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  22. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The issue is the inequity.

    It's commonplace to find sentences in excess of that handed out to minority individuals who have stolen FAR less in nonviolent crimes.

    This goes to our two tier crime system, where Manafort actually argued in court that he should be found innocent, because:

    => he wouldn't have gotten caught if there had been no investigation!!!

    Can't beat THAT with a stick!
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 8, 2019
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  23. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    And what you claim is utterly irrelevant.

    You can't send a man to prison for a certain length of time "because someone else got a longer sentence".
     
    Dayton3, Mar 8, 2019
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    And the Democratic Party zealots deny they engage in identity politics...

    :roflol:
     
    Medieval Man, Mar 9, 2019
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    Why? You made this country yet everyone blames you for everything?
     
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