NZ shooters thoughts on politics, trump, and more from his manifesto

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    From his manifesto. Sounds like he was just a nutjob all the way around.

    Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
    As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.

    Were/are you a conservative? No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

    Were/are you a christian? That is complicated. When I know, I will tell you.

    Were/are you a fascist? Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China. Was there a political figure or party in history you most associate yourself with? Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs.

    Were/are you a “homophobe”? No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do.As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues.

    Were/are you “right wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

    Were/are you “left wing”? Depending on the definition, sure.

    Were/are you a socialist? Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents.
     
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    Narrative will remain - "guns bad, Orange man bad, white man bad".
     
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    Nah, narrative will be the bloke is a nutter.
     
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    I hate that he called himself a Fascist, that means a great deal of work will have to be done to illustrate the political views of Fascism(All within the State, nothing beyond the State) and to overcome propaganda on contrary views. Anarchist or Nihilist violence uproots the State and therefore runs in stark contrast to the Fascist.
     
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    This killers views on race are probably somewhat similar to a large part of the world. People just don't normally act upon it or feel as though they are in situations in which they have to. But if white/black/Japanese/hispanic people were taking over China, I don't think the Chinese government or people would be mild in their reactions. Look how Muslims are repressed in China and put in reeducation camps.

    Big mistake for European countries to let in so many Muslim immigrants since a backlash was inevitable. Muslim nations are smart enough to not allow in hundreds of thousands/millions of evangelical Christians. The religions/civilizations are just extremely different and thus their may be violence and terror on both sides. And needless wars.

    Who are some of the losers in all of this that have little to do with it? Hindus and Sikhs since they have brown skin and mostly try to assimilate and come from a more tolerant country with some democratic traditions.
     
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    The shooter claimed his beliefs were closer to that of China.
     
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    Nope. The demographic of his victims ensure that that the narrative will be something on the order of a "rising tide of" White Nationalism/Right Wing/Racist/Christian violence.
     
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    No. He liked the authoritarian nature of China. He was a follower of Mosley who was fascist, ant-Communist, and a nationalist.
     
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    Everything but the Christian violence fits like a glove.
     
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    The late night “comics” (where libs get their news) will blame only Trump.
     
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    Thanks!

    Always glad when someone comes along to confirm my suspicions.
     
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    What makes you the authority on this fella? You have some inside knowledge?
     
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    He did say he likes that particular fellow a lot and he also said the government that mostly resembles what he wants is China. He also doesn’t seem opposed to communism with his stance on the owners of the means of production and his dislike of capitalism. This guy definitely has some screws loose.
     
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    so he believes in God, but doesn't know if he is a Christian or not?

    could be he stopped being Christian to do the killing and wants to become Christian later while in prison to be saved... thinking he found a loophole to forgiveness

    pretty much all of his answers are non-answers
     
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    Well yes; but only in the eyes of thinking people.
     
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    Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews of MSNBC already gave lockstep and kneejerk leftists the word. I guaranteeeeeeeeeeeeee it.
     
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    the far left watch MSNBC, the far right watch Fox News

    I can't stand watching either of them for long
     
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    Fox at least doesn't insult people's intelligence. Fox during the evening are mostly conservatives or right of center but they don't hide their biases and pretend to be calling it without a conservative perspective. The rest of the day Fox when actually reporting the news at least has very neutral coverage and may in fact be slightly left of center overall.

    Problem with CNN is they pretend to be neutral for the most part and for the most part are not.

    Trump has made mistakes with some silly lies/exaggerations but he has been right to attack the dishonest media. Most of the media is liberal and it has been a cheerleader and sympathetic to liberals for decades. Trump has gotten under their skin enough that even the most dense people and partisan Democrats are admitting they favor Democrats. Maybe not their favorite Democrats since not all Democrats are alike but that party for sure.

    I got nothing against gays but CNN prime time is led by two gay men(one white/one black) and a member of one of the biggest Democratic families in the country(Cuomo). Fox is just as partisan at night for sure but they aren't pretending Hanniy/Carlson/Ingram are neutral journalists.) Imagine if Fox had 2 conservative evangelical Christians on at night and a conservative member of the Bush family and were saying they were neutral reporters of the news calling it even. Rest of mainstream media would be mocking Fox. But there is pretty much crickets when it comes to Lemon, Cooper and Cuomo.
     
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    Nicely stated. Well done.
     
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    I'm doing research.
     

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