The bible never mentioned any east asian or blacks.

You're wasting everybody's time. You're so entrenched in your perverted beliefs.

Hannukah is the celebration of the dedication of the 2nd Temple in the reign of the Persian Cyrus. Nothing to do with the Greeks.

'The Egyptian forces surrendered and the country fell to the Persians. It would remain under Persian occupation until the coming of Alexander the Great in 332 BCE.
Alexander was welcomed as a liberator and conquered Egypt without a fight' https://www.ancient.eu/egypt/

'The date is significant. Just nine years later, in 332 BC, a young Greek prince arrives at the head of a victorious army. He is Alexander the Great. Understandably, in the circumstances, he is welcomed as a liberator.

Another method, equally important, is to present himself in the guise of a local ruler. To this end he carries out a sacrifice to Apis, a sacred bull at Memphis, where the priests crown him pharaoh. And he makes a long pilgrimage to a famous oracle of the sun god Amon, or Amen-Re, at Siwa. The priest duly recognizes Alexander as the son of the god.'

:http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis...=260&HistoryID=aa28&gtrack=pthc#ixzz5hQeTdGDY


The Maccabees threw out the Seleucids because of their actions - including that of their leader sacrificing a pig in the Temple. A lot of their trouble was that many Jews had become Hellenistic in outlook. The Romans took over when one candidate for the High Priesthood asked the Roman General Pompeii to help him overthrow his brother - who was also claiming the position. The Romans helped him, and took over.

 

didnt read the rest of your post as you create a false narrative here so you likely do elsewhere. address this first before i read the rest of your post.

The eight-day Jewish celebration known as Hanukkah or Chanukah commemorates the rededication during the second century B.C. of the Second Temple in Jerusalem, where according to legend Jews had risen up against their Greek-Syrian oppressors in the Maccabean Revolt. - historychannel.

 

maccabean revolt - Hanukkah, the Jewish festival of lights, celebrates the Maccabean Revolt (167-160 BCE), and the narrative that Jewish rebel Judas Maccabeus vanquished the evil Greek emperor Antiochus and rededicated the Temple, at which the miracle of the oil occurred.

haaretz - your favourite jewish news outlet.

 

until you stop spreading fake news ill continue to edit/snip your posts until you retract your false statements. all you are doing is filling up this discussion with opinions not based on facts and just basically spamming an interesting topic. be respectful or leave please.

 

Greeks and ancient Egyptians didn't always get along. But then colonies of Greeks were in Egypt long before Alexander. First contacts were probably around 1000 BCE. Things are a bit vague then but after 600 BCE things become clearer. Alexander was much later than this, after the Persians were in control in Egypt.

You're right about Hannukah. I was thinking of the rebuilding/rededication of the 2nd Temple.

Why? People don't go to see Alexander. They go to see the Pyramids, the Nile, Egyptian beaches and EGYPTIAN History. I guess most of them don't even know that Alexander was a Pharaoh. Most don't even read Egyptian History before they go. They rely on guides..

 

Snipping my posts will give you the chance to ignore the truth. There are a dozen websites of all types, History Books etc that will tell you that the Greeks were welcomed into Egypt after the terrible Persians and that Alexander was made a Pharaoh. You will find that he is listed as a Pharaoh in the Macedonian period. Or don't you trust the Metropolitan Museum https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/phar/hd_phar.htm

 

thank you for correcting your mistaken belief.

the use of a tourist guide to "prove" that Aegyptians loved all of their conquerors is naive beyond belief. a tourist guide is designed to attract greeks [and romans and assyrians] so what would be the point of saying that the AE's hated the greeks. think about it.

onto your comment about alex. you use a source that is pretty random, an EU source with no scholarly affiliation, just some random guys opinion that alex was a liberator and was crowned pharaoh by the native priests. he uses no primary source, just opinion.

ihave a scholarly source, backed by arguably the most prestigious university in the world that states Alex crowned himself as pharaoh. also from what ive read, this is what all of the ptolemies did and one of the reasons why there were numerous rebellions by the native egyptians, which i may discuss later aswell as the ultimate acceptance of guilty practice by the greeks towards native egyptians and might i add a credit to greeks as well for documenting everything. i have no hostility to greeks but their legacy has been abused by eurocentric scholars to further westerners colonial mindstate
if you remain respectful, open minded and relinquish that eurocentric doctrine you have been fed all of your life.

 

those engravings are POOR evidence that ALL israelites, were black people.

the Israelites originated near Kuwait, moved up and west along the Fertile Crescent, and came to Canaan. there are many lighter skinned peoples that they took on.

of course the Jews converted many tribes along the way, including the Edomites

 

Now I'm off to bed.

You have a scholarly source - but you don't quote it. Now you change your mind and agree that Alexander was a Pharaoh.

Oh..You omitted to denigrate the other source or the Metropolitan museum. . Alexander was Pharaoh of Egypt. The Greeks were welcomed as being better than the Persians persecutors.

respectful, openminded eurocentric doctrine. Ha. Who do you think I am. I doubt you were a twinkle in anyone's eye when I started my first Sunday School during WWII. I'm British. I've studied the Bible and Bible history, its background and culture on which it was written long before you were around sonny. I'm agnostic.

Bold. Perhaps you should think about it. Do you really believe that 2000 years later any tourist is going to be put off by your idea of the AE hating the Greeks. 2000 years and people still care. You must be in another world.

Your problem is that you will not accept ANY site that disagrees with you even if St Peter told you it was true. You're the one with eurocentric doctrine. I opened my mind to the world when I became agnostic, many years ago. .

Go ahead with your nonsense and you'll be talking to yourself soon.

Good luck

 

alex was pharaoh of egypt by his own volition [ according to the most prestigious academia ] nothing more nothing less. whether i acknowledge he was pharaoh or not is irrelevant.

my problem is with the continued false narrative of greek benevolence that is perpetuated by the tourist industry [amongst many notable others] in order to maximize profits at the expense of the prophets. the tourism industry is merely a cog in the well oiled machine.
the fact you are not using academic sources at all is not my problem, that is your issue and why you are getting frustrated, maybe looking for some guidance. im really not in this to offer knowledge to someone so unlearned and disrespectful.

 

You refuse to reveal' the most prestigious academia' - again..

If you believe the tourist industry of Egypt is influenced by the supposed actions of Greeks 2000 years ago you have a sad understanding of human beings. Hundreds of thousands of tourists to the UK each year don't give a toss that the Vikings slaughtered many monks and civilians 1500 years ago. They just want to see the sights, historic buildings and traditions of Monarchy and absorb the atmosphere. The same applies to tourists to Italy. They're not stopped by the fact of Christians being thrown to the lions 2000 years ago. You're simply making excuses.

Guidance from you would be like following a blind man off a cliff edge.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexander-the-Great. The Britannica is recognised as an eminent Encyclopedia whose contributors are experts in their fields. . It's used in Universities and educational establishments.

'In November 332 he reached Egypt. The people welcomed him as their deliverer, and the Persian satrap Mazaces wisely surrendered. At Memphis Alexander sacrificed to Apis, the Greek term for Hapi, the sacred Egyptian bull, and was crowned with the traditional double crown of the pharaohs; the native priests were placated and their religion encouraged.'

Now, dream on. Bye.

 

The Wars the ptolemies fought with Upper Egypt is testament to the reality that they were not welcome in Egypt. you can regurgitate all of the western propaganda you like it matters little when the truth is revealed.

He was a wicked homosexual tyrant, who slaughtered everything that moved, even his closest friends. this demon was right up there with Hitler, he had the same goals as Hitler and went about it the same way. there is an enduring myth about Alex;

he was once given a complex puzzle to solve and the way he solved it was to smash it to pieces so it no longer existed.

as for my sources, ill use them if need be. up until now its not difficult to dismiss your eurocentric defense of a warmongering alcoholic who died on his toilet at 33. Only gods knows how many more nations he would have ethnically cleansed had he lived longer.

 

Ah. Now YOU'VE changeD the topic. We were talking about Egypt under Alexander - not the Ptolemies. They were a different kettle of fish.ALEXANDER AND THE GREEKS WERE WELCOMED. What happened under the Ptolomies cannot be put down to Alexander. Just as you cannot put down the actions of the current President down to the previous etc. There were 2 other Greek pharaohs before the Ptolomies. There was reaction to Ptolomic changes in the ways of running, taxing and other things. Tax changes caused one southern Egyptian valley to rebel and it took some years to take back under control. The problem partly being that Greece was 'western' and Egypt 'eastern'. Greek ways were often at variance with Egyptian ways.

Your problem is seeing that which promotes your ideas and ignoring the rest.

your eurocentric defense of a warmongering alcoholic. There is no proof that he was an alcoholic. Having a extended 'booze-up' is no indication of anything more than release of tension and celebration.
Warmongering: He was no more a warmonger than most ancient Emperors. There were worse than him. Ashurnasirpal II 'Their men young and old I took prisoners. Of some I cut off their feet and hands; of others I cut off the ears noses and lips; of the young men's ears I made a heap; of the old men's heads I made a minaret. I exposed their heads as a trophy in front of their city. The male children and the female children I burned in flames; the city I destroyed, and consumed with fire'..

as for my sources, ill use them if need be. HaHa. It will be a bit late. I'm finished.

 

There was NO "egypt under alexander", he never ruled. there is no dynasty under alex. In fact there is no dynasty under any greeks because they were illegitimate rulers of egypt, just as the romans were. this is why the greek era of egypt is called the ptolemic dynasty and NOT the 32nd Dynasty

alex invaded and set up base for the ptolemies to come take over. this is why they created their base, Alexandria in a tiny port on the extreme north of egypt, because they were not welcome in the cities because they were barbarians.

your problem is that you defend any actions of whites when they colonize other nations. im pretty sue you are also a big supporter of the colonization on africa, cecil rhodes and the trans atlantic slave so called trade.

 

The greeks were never welcome in AEgypt. just as greek philosophers would visit to learn, then greek mercenaries would follow and cause civil unrest.
Theses mercenaries would eventually set up a settlement and come to capture the city of Naukratis. here a base was established for a small greek army of mercenaries that would be the beginning of the end to Native Egyptian rule of the country. these barabaric mercenaries would then act as a protection racket to the Native Pharoahs and would be the main cause of tension amongst the populace and the reason for the wars to come in the very near future.

 

ive got every base covered just incase you continue moving the goal posts. we can debate pre alex or post alex, it doesnt matter.

 

note how the early greek settlements are the extreme north. hardly welcomed into the bosom of Egypt.

 

It may seem like that on the surface but a powerful case can be presented from several angles that both Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as well as his brother Doubting Thomas, (Judas Didymus Thomas), may have travelled to India or even Tibet or Nepal?

The wise men who came to the birth of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could have been from Persia or even further east.

Did Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua learn about healing in India before teaching in Judaea?

 

Moses may have married a black woman.

 

And Paul going to Spain.

 

And everyone went to Ethiopia and to India.

 

Saite Period, or Dynasty 26 (664–525 B.C.)

When the Assyrians withdrew after their final invasion in 664 B.C., Egypt was left in the hands of the Saite kings, though it was actually only in 656 B.C. that the Saite ruler Psamtik I was able to reassert control over the southern area of the country, dominated by Thebes. For the next 130 years, Egypt enjoyed the benefits of rule by a single strong family, Dynasty 26. Elevated to power by the invading Assyrians, Dynasty 26 faced a world in which Egypt was no longer concerned with its role in international power politics but with its sheer survival as a nation. The long and rich traditions behind them, however, fortified the culture, which saw a new phase of artistic expression in stone monuments and statuary. Later generations would remember this dynasty as representative of Egyptian history, and would in turn recapitulate Saite forms.

Under Saite rule, Egypt grew from a vassal of Assyria to an independent ally. There were even echoes of the bygone might of Egypt’s New Kingdom in Saite military campaigns into Asia Minor (after the collapse of the Assyrian empire in 612 B.C.) and Nubia. In pursuit of these goals, however, the Saite pharaohs had to rely on foreign mercenaries—Carian (from southwestern Asia Minor, modern Turkey), Phoenician
and Greek—as well as Egyptian soldiers. These different ethnic groups lived in their own quarters at Memphis, the capital city. The Greek city-states were also allowed to establish a trading settlement at Naukratis in the western Delta, which, with the mixed Greek-Egyptian settlement at Thonis/Heraklion, served as a direct conduit for cultural influences traveling from Egypt to Greece. Greeks also settled many other areas in the Delta https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/lapd/hd_lapd.htm

So it seems that the Greeks (Greek city/states) had no problems in Egypt. In fact trading and contacts between the 2 had been going on for centuries. In the 5th century BCE Herodotus, visiting Egypt, said the Greeks were probably one of the first groups of foreigners ever to live in Egypt. Except by conquest of course. Not welcome? Their 2 cultures and literature influenced each other.
Why would the Greeks want to build cities outside the Delta?. Come to that, no other conqueror I can think of did. The rest of Egypt was a thin strip of land, fertile only because the Egyptians irrigated it. Of no real value to a conquering nation. And, in some cases, a trap. An invasion from the North could provoke the Nubians to the South to take advantage of the situation and invade again.
You say Alexander never ruled Egypt. Obviously you know little about the ancient world. He was the conqueror. He 'owned' Egypt. He left men to run Egypt for him. That was the normal situation for the previous 2 millenia. Conquerors went on the conquer elsewhere, and when they had finished they went home to their respective capitals. But they still ruled their empire through subordinates
Alexander was welcomed for rescuing them from the horrific Persians. What the Ptolemies did later in things like taxation etc turned many peop[e against the Greeks.

To say that Alexander set up Egypt for the Ptolemies is hilarious. If he hadn't died he would have ruled until either he was deposed or died of old age. .

Keep on dreaming.

 

LOLOL

DNA clearly shows they were mostly European.

 

so you take a tiny town at the mouth of the delta in the extreme north of Egypt, practically in the SEA as "proof" [lmao] that egypt had no problems with greeks.

Are you mad?