Socialism vs. the American way of life will be on the 2020 ballot

The other car companies would face the same earning caps.

 

Some Democrats are advocating significant changes.

It will be nice if that's what takes place. Some of the ideas advanced to make that happen are unworkable.

Hang out a sign: "Reform needed."

 

Yes, once their sales reached that level. But just as with individuals, companies can also learn to care about the societies around them that make their success possible. The benefits of upgrading society & everyone in it are multifaceted & everyone wins.

 

1. Yes, & I support them enthusiastically.
2. If you have ideas you feel would accomplish the same goal, please share them. All ideas should be given attention, discussion & consideration.
3. I wish it were that simple. But I and a growing number of my fellow Americans are uncomfortable with economic outcomes under our current system & want to improve it for the general population. I'm sometimes surprised to see the level of resistance to change here though.

 

insist on Pareto Optimal public policies!

 

We know everything we need to know about socialism and how it relates to capitalism. In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's the other way around. Everywhere socialism has been tried, the population is disarmed so that the government can appropriate private enterprise and property. Government leaders become the 1%-ers. Since they have a monopoly on weaponry, socialism morphs in genocidal communism. It has failed every time and everywhere it's been tried. I know. Bernie hasn't had a shot at it yet.

 

So you honestly believe people will work harder and longer for the good of society with no profit incentive. That is the fallacy of socialism.

 

Government is Socialism. We have a mixed market economy. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

Better capital management can make all of the difference.

 

Socialism's job is to learn how to merely use Capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern times. We could use socialism to solve for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

 

Government isn't socialism when government is simply redistributing wealth and income through programs like Social Security and Medicare. Public schools and the military are socialist because the government is the producer.

 

Socialism is required to accomplish that. Government does that not capitalism.

 

Man exploits man turns into man exploits man?

Subjugated, yes.

Communism has never existed anywhere, nor is it possible for the state that supports socialism to "wither away" (as Marxist theory goes). Marxist-Leninists are stuck with a repressive state because they take private property.

Sanders long ago stopped calling for collectivizing production. Still, his economic ideas are wanting and would almost certainly slow economic growth.

As you say, collectivizing production on a national level has been a failure every time it has been tried. I don't think a structure can be devised where it can succeed.

 

Not sure what you're saying. We have a government that is partially socialist and will no doubt stay that way. We might privatize schools, but I we aren't likely to privatize our military.

 

2019 Worlds HAPPIEST countries:1.Finland 2.Denmark 3.Norway 4.Iceland 5.Netherlands 6.Switzerland 7.Sweden 8.New Zealand 9.Canada 10.Austria.USA falls back another space to number 19.So called socialist countries are far better places to live for the citizens.

 

Government is Socialism. Our mixed market economy must prove it to the extent Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

 

Government owning the means of production is socialism. In order for Government to gain that ownership, government officials have to confiscate business and property. In order to confiscate business and property, they apply the military and police. Rinse, Repeat.

 

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are public sector means of production as is Hoover Dam.

 

I love how Republicans are so stuck on the 50's, as if it was a dream era, when it was really full of socialist and fascists ideas.

The rich and corporations were taxed at 90%, which is the ONLY reason we had a surplus at all....

The government used communism as a scapegoat for all America's problems, and spent millions of dollars (billions by today's standards) to hold kangaroo courts and condemn anyone who dared say certain words or express certain ideas. There is nothing more fascist and UnAmerican than punishing people for expressing unpopular ideas or beliefs.

 

That's not exactly true. Socialism doesn't have to include full government ownership of the means of production. China allows some private industry, for example. just to a much lesser extent. It can just be the idea that certain things shouldn't be left up to a profit margin. The US has always had certain elements of socialism in our government.

 

Government might administer Social Security, but the benefits are income redistribution, not socialism.

Bottom line: collectivized production and nothing else is socialism

 

They can buy an industry and often do in mixed economies, but socializing industry generally is based on confiscation.

That they do.

 

White paradises? Sense a trend=) And please explain the difference between 1 and 19? Whats the real difference? Their methodology barely explains it. Those lists are so stupid and ridiculous. A better list is who actually matters? Who produces the most tech? Who protects the most people and keeps crazy people from destroying everyone else? If Finland and Sweden disappeared tomorrow, the world would move on without a hitch. Without the US, the world would end in a second.

For example...Nordic countries not exactly as happy as you think.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45308016

 

Name one business which is fully owned and controlled by the government.

The closest I can't think of is AMTRAK, the National Railroad Passenger Corporation and the government doesn't own them completely. They are still technically a private corporation. The government stock as part of their contract with the company to run public rail lines.

 

No it isn't. It's an economic model.

 

That's the outlook of a Capitalist. Socialism does not provide for 'extra', only survival. A socialist system (of living) cannot provide anyone with anything but the basics .. and Americans already have that. If you want more, you'll need to engage more fully in Capitalism. It's the only way you can achieve anything beyond survival basics.