Why trump is legitimately not my President

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    For a long time I simply stated that trump violates foundational American principles. He is clearly a thug and a pathological or intentional perpetual liar. He seeks to divide the nation and turn Americans against each other. He seeks to undermine the the foundations of liberty at every turn - the free press, judges and the courts, the intelligence community responsible for our safety - not to mention calling for the mass murder of innocent people, extreme torture, and even direct calls for violence at his own rallies. He coddles and praises cold-blooded killers while attacking allies and even a war hero.

    But these are issues limited to trump. There is a deeper issue and the reason I want to see secession made legal for each State to choose. The election of trump was a trashing of the social contract between each of us and the country. Everything that I have ever believed or been taught to believe about America was tossed out with the garbage the day trump took office. Beyond that, supporting trump is highly immoral. The man loves the worst of humanity. He appeals to the worst of humanity. And he has exposed a dark underbelly in the US that has grown far too fat. In short, due to extreme breach of contract, the social contract no longer exists.

    The United States is no longer united. We don't share common values anymore. The people who support trump have chosen to flush America down the toilet and make a new country based on oppressive and tyrannical principles. And it has nothing to do with my country - what the United States has always been. 40% of it is something else entirely.

    We don't want to be a country. Maybe something more like a Federation of independent States would be more in line with the wishes of the voters. This would allow Alabama and other fundamentalist States be a theocracies like they want. Blue States can live in the here and now. Do away with most of the Federal Government.

    Beyond that, I think the idea of City States is worth consideration. The real divide is between rural voters and city voters. So give large cities the status of independent States, with their own laws. The outlying rural communities and beyond can have their own laws. And all of this is void of any Federal law.
     
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    Wow. First describe how the duly elected President is not really a president and claim he is destroying the country, then in the same breath, describe how you would prefer to destroy the country.
     
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    Haha, you couldn’t make this hilarious **** up, if you tried.
     
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    Well, Trump IS your president like it or not. You are welcome to leave the country if you wish.
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Totally agree.
    Worth reading the entire proposal.
     
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    Please, leave in mass, as soon as possible.
     
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    Trump seeks to unite, but the left wants to divide.
    1. Look at Charlottesville protest. It was about preserving Confederate history. All those who were in the protest were fully American, they just don't want to lose their culture. Trump said they were fine people. The left called them White Supremscists.
    2. Look at Mueller investigation. It's the biggest propaganda piece for Russia. Trump wants to end it. The left wants to expand it.
    3. Look at the Trade War. Trump wants everyone to be united and understand that some will be hurt. The left wants to only focus on those who were hurt and ignore the countless millions who benefited greatly.
     
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    Well, if Trump isn’t your President you won’t have to complain about him anymore. We will all be happy! :)
     
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    OP

    FFS is this anti-Trump crap going to go on until the next presidential election - and possibly after it too, if he's re-elected? Give it a rest for christ sake!
     
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    Seems to be reaching a fevered pitch as of late.

    So dramatic, often sounds like regurgitated talking points from somewhere.

    I do like the idea though. Life without progressives sounds like paradise.

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    Gotta laugh at the article author though, pretty naive. I'd give it a couple decades before these blue city states realized that their 'free **** multicult' utopia doesn't work... shortly thereafter they'd be drawing up war plans against rural red areas.
     
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    Manifesto is what you meant to say isn't it? Sure it's worth reading ... it's not too far from DNC progressive socialists strategies. Sanctuary states being one example, and essentially a seperate SCOTUS to affirm progressive seperatists constitutional revisionism. This country definitely dodged a bullet by not giving (D)'s control of the US Senate. This manifesto deserves to be shared on every public social media platform. :applause:
     
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    They racket up the hyperbole when bad news about Trump is hard to come by and news that goes against their narrative is going around. As we get closer to a Mueller nothing burger report and more evidence comes out about the sedition and soft coup attempts, they will try to deflect attention away.
     
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    I’m going to ignore the hyperbolic BS posted in the first part. Okay I’m not totally going to ignore it. When did Trump call for mass murder? I admit I want to hear that one.

    But to address the quoted part... you and Peppermint realize that’s how our country was designed to be in the first place right? We were supposed to be a federation of loosely controlled states with all the power and a very weak centralized government.

    But the liberals wanted to subsume the states under the umbrella of the federal government because they didn’t like what the southern states were doing. So since the liberals couldn’t force them to change through political maneuvering they engaged in a war in order to change the constitution and make us a group of weak states controlled by the federal government.

    Now the liberals are pissed that the people won’t do what they want again, so they’re trying to turn us back into a federation of states. And they don’t even realize the idiot libs screwed that up in the first place.

    You can’t make this stupidity up.
     
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    There they go..

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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    He called for the families of terrorists to all be killed, at one of his rallies. And his blood-thirsty minions cheered.

    And you don't even know that your president called for the cold-blooded murder of tens of thousands of innocent people.

    That bothers you but not his codding of killers. Interesting.

    No kidding! I never took 8th grade history. :rolleyes:

    So now Lincoln was a liberal, LOL!!! Your logic or lack thereof is laughable.

    You can say that again.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Note that no one can dispute anything I've said about trump.

    Instead the minions take pot shots at me for stating the truth.
     
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    You got a source for that call for mass murder? I’d like to read it before commenting.

    If you took 8th grade history then you know there’s no need to change the constitution. We simply need to interpret the constitution as it was written.

    And of course Lincoln was a liberal? He was also the single worst president this country has ever seen.
     
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    Donald J. Trump, The President of the United States of America

    Say it... loud, so the people in the back can hear you.
     
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    There’s so much garbage to sort thru, you actually expect your opinion to be taken serious?

    Attack on a free press?
    Are you serious?
    When did the left start boot licking for the intell apparatus? Because, in the last decade, I’ve seen the CIA torture, and help lie America into a criminal war. Add that to 60 plus years of shady activity by the cia. We’ve also witnessed the NSA lie about spying on Americans, after they got caught spying on Americans. Now the left is trying to prop up known liars, and deep state rats like Clapper, and Bremen as heros. Hilarious.
    Talk about hypocrisy, lefties have been foaming at the mouth over wanting to pack the Supreme Court, but you’re worried about Trump’s “attacks” on the judiciary?
    Who are you trying to fool, other than yourself of course.
     
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    This is a fantastic idea.

    To work though, it would require the "Blue Cities" to be walled in Escape From NY style. The "progressive elites" could be free to live in their leftists utopias and walk streets paved with bum turds and heroin needles. The "city voters" could stay in their play pens, live under the tyrannical laws they love, and keep their progressive cancer contained.

    The outlying rural communities wouldn't have to worry about feeding the city states either, because they would feed themselves when they turned cannibal within the first month of celebrating their "independence".

    Ah, what a splendid idea. A boy can dream.
     
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    Actually I don't see why anyone would bother "refuting" your personal opinions regarding Trump. You're entitled to hold and express those opinions. I haven't seen any pot shots that relate to those opinions either. You're mainly being criticized over the content of your manifesto. Did you expect your proposal for dissolution of the Union would be favorably received by everyone? That's a highly unrealistic expectation, given this is a debate forum.
     
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    I agree. Though I do so because of gun, speech and substance restrictions, not because of Trump. Many portions of America arent America anymore (Im sure each of us individually will disagree which is which) and we don't have enough of a consensus on how we wish to govern for it to make sense for us to be unified. Not anymore. We can break apart before we have a war about it... or after. I dont think theres a third option.
     
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    You should form your own country, and fund all of the leeches yourself
     
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    [​IMG] Hmmmm…..no leftists. [​IMG]
     
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