The bible never mentioned any east asian or blacks.

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  1. yasureoktoo

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    But hey.Punch her in the nose, botox her lips, paint her black, and she can fulfill your fantasy's.
    Egypt was always multi race.
    From the Jet black of the Sub Sahara
    , to the almost European looking Mediterianin race of the north
     
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    No question that Egypt was multicultural. But the vast majority were black as were the Coptic peoples who ran it.
     
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    We know there was a lot of blacks in Egypt.

    the SubShara was all black, and blacker.
    North was mediterian.

    we know who was there, at what times, because of the tombs excavated.
     
  4. Esau

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    it may be in the eye of the beholder but id take a Black Woman with Smooth Skin over a hairy jewish girl, any day.
     
  5. Esau

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    since you love C&P have a go at reading this wall of text:

    When we inquire into the factors which brought about the spirit of nationalist revolt under the later Ptolemies, especially in Upper Egypt, an important one was probably the continued maintenance of the Pharaonic tradition in the Nile country to the south of Egypt. The Greek conquerors had subjugated Egypt, but they had not subjected the whole realm of the ancient Pharaohs, the whole area of Egyptian culture; and so long as the Egyptian nationalists saw their old tradition still ruling, there just beyond the southern frontier, they might well refuse to believe that it had been crushed for good. After all, the old legends told of Egyptian kings in former days, when Egypt was overrun by strangers, taking refuge in Ethiopia on the Upper Nile and issuing thence again to recover the land down to the sea.

    In the year 200‑199 we hear incidentally that Abydos was being besieged.Then, in 197, it is in the Delta that we find the rebels dangerous. They are in possession of the town of Lycopolis in the Busirite nome.
    The rebel bands have taken refuge behind its walls, and are besieged there by government troops, the young king, it would seem, being present with his soldiers. The summer of 197 saw an abnormally high rise of Nile, which threatened, by submerging the siege-works constructed round the town, to compel the king's troops to relax their pressure. To obviate this, the king's troops blocked the canals which fed the neighbourhood of Lycopolis and diverted the water elsewhere. The rebel chiefs saw that their position was hopeless, and capitulated.

    The king, says Polybius, "treated them cruelly, and fell into many dangers." The vague phrase, due perhaps to the abbreviator of Polybius, probably means that the cruelty of the king's reprisals provoked more furious revolts later on. Another set of rebels — the chiefs who had headed the nationalist revolt under Ptolemy Philopator — were apparently brought to Memphis, and their execution combined with the ceremonies of the king's enthronement as a Pharaoh on Phaophi, 197. One can hardly make the boy of twelve responsible for what was done; even if he was officially of age, his public actions must have been still those of his Greek ministers.

    Rosetta Stone

    many think the rosetta stone is an egyptian relic, it was in fact a decree written in various languages by the greeks [ptolemy] proclaiming military victory over the native egyptian pharaohs.
     
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  6. Esau

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    lets look what the Greeks were also doing at the Gates of Africa during the same time period.

    C&P alert!! you better hide under your pillow trevor



    When Alexander had been emperor for twelve years, he fell ill and realized that he was about to die. He called together his generals, noblemen who had been brought up with him since his early childhood, and he divided his empire, giving a part to each of them. After his death, the generals took control, and each had himself crowned king of his own territory. The descendants of these kings ruled for many generations and brought a great deal of misery on the world.

    In the year 143, after the conquest of Egypt, Antiochus marched with a great army against the land of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. In his arrogance, he entered the Temple and took away the gold altar, the lampstand with all its equipment, the table for the bread offered to the Lord, the cups and bowls, the gold fire pans, the curtain, and the crowns. He also stripped all the gold from the front of the Temple and carried off the silver and gold and everything else of value, including all the treasures that he could find stored there. Then he took it all to his own country. He had also murdered many people and boasted arrogantly about it. There was great mourning everywhere in the land of Israel.

    Two years later Antiochus sent a large army from Mysia against the towns of Judea. When the soldiers entered Jerusalem, their commander spoke to the people, offering them terms of peace and completely deceiving them. Then he suddenly launched a fierce attack on the city, dealing it a major blow and killing many of the people. He plundered the city, set it on fire, and tore down its buildings and walls. He and his army took the women and children as prisoners and seized the cattle.

    The king also sent messengers with a decree to Jerusalem and all the towns of Judea, ordering the people to follow customs that were foreign to the country. He ordered them not to offer burnt offerings, grain offerings, or wine offerings in the Temple, and commanded them to treat Sabbaths and festivals as ordinary work days. They were even ordered to defile the Temple and the holy things in it. They were commanded to build pagan altars, temples, and shrines, and to sacrifice pigs and other unclean animals there. They were forbidden to circumcise their sons and were required to make themselves ritually unclean in every way they could, so that they would forget the Law which the Lord had given through Moses and would disobey all its commands. The penalty for disobeying the king's decree was death.
     
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  7. Esau

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    White Saviour yep!
     
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    HaHa. Changing the gateposts again. We were talking about ALEXANDER - not the people he left in charge. Alexander himself could be brutal when the occasion arose, but also merciful to the innocent. When he defeated Darius the Persian and Darius refused to surrender (there's more to the story than that but that will do) Darius was defeated again and killed. BUT Alexander allowed Darius' wife and family mercy and freedom.

    I know the history of the Maccabees. That is not Alexander. Stick to the point. ALEXANDER was welcomed into Egypt. PERIOD. When he left Egypt he appoints Cleomenes as ruler in his absence. We don't appear to have problems with his rule. .When Alexander died Perdiccas ruled in Greece as a regent for 3 successive people. It was he who appointed Ptolomey. It didn't work out as Perdiccas intended and Ptolomey took over Egypt as his own. Perdiccas tried to oust him but was beaten in battle. Thus we have the Ptolomic dynasty.

    What happened when the Seleucids took over in Palestine is not Alexanders responsibility. Nor are the Ptolomies actions. .

    The Ptolomies were Pharaohs. The term Pharaoh means Monarch, Ruler. They ruled Egypt therefore they were an Egyptian dynasty. As were the Nubian dynasty, the Hyksos dynasty and even the Libyan dynasty who ruled parts of the Delta at one time. .The Ptolomies were not Alexanders men nor were they appointed by him.

    You're telling me nothing new. Just twisting the subject. According to your logic the people who wrote the US constitution are responsible for the actions of the people of the US today. So we can blame the continuance of white supremacy groups on them. The catastrophic gun laws which bring so much misery to the innocent. Good one. Someone to blame.
     
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    The three wise men from the East.
     
  10. Esau

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    nope.

    this is why they are called Ptolemic Dynasty and not Egyptian Dynasty.
     
  11. Esau

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    damn right they are
     
  12. Esau

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    wow you have been utterly brainwashed by western racist education. LMAO!

    lets have a look what the Greeks were really up to in Africa!

    When the news of what had happened in Jerusalem reached Antiochus, he thought the whole country of Judea was in revolt, and he became as furious as a wild animal. So he left Egypt and took Jerusalem by storm, giving his men orders to cut down without mercy everyone they met and to slaughter anyone they found hiding in the houses. They murdered everyone—men and women, boys and girls; even babies were butchered. Three days later Jerusalem had lost 80,000 people: 40,000 killed in the attack and at least that many taken away to be sold as slaves.
     
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    Nope.Just like the Nubians, Libyans, Hyksos all who were not Egyptian, are all included in dynasties. They ruled Egypt - they were not Egyptian - but they were Egyptian rulers. Ergo: an Egyptian dynasty.

    Again you are moving the gateposts. What the Greeks did AFTER Alexander is not down to him. Ptolomy was appointed by someone else - Perdiccas. Ptolomy took over Egypt against his leaders instructions.

    What Ptolomy did was down to him, as with Antiochus. And you really should study geography. Judea is in ASIA.

    I'M AFRAID ANYONE READING THIS WILL REALISE THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED. Emperors didn't go out to conquer nations of a certain colour. They went out to conquer for the land. Alexander first went North and defeated the Balkans.(White men) He then fulfilled the purpose of the League of Corinth (Hellenic League) where city states agreed to invade Persia in retaliation for Persian attacks on them. That included Egypt which was under Persian control. Nothing to do with colour.

    I think you should understand ancient history and the reasons why nations went to war. In most cases colour was no issue in the Ancient world. Jews were able to live side-by-side with dark skinned Arabs and Africans in North and West Africa where they went for safety after the two invasions of Palestine.

    I'm finished. You are a racialist. I've no time for you. Neither does my friend from next door who is from the West Indies, who looks rather distinguished with dark skin and white hair. I have a friend whose wife is from Africa. I spent time in the UK Forces billeted with men of various colours.

    Under the skin we all have the same blood, organs and circulation.
     
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    Alexander did not invade Egypt, with whom the Greek had had good trading relations for centuries, to gain territory. It was to destroy the Persians who occupied Egypt. He pursued the Persian wherever they were.
    Would he have entered Egypt without the Persians being there? Doubtful. It would have actually gained him very little in his mission to destroy the Persian enemy, his mission mentioned earlier,.and used up time and troops necessary elsewhere on the Eastern front. . What it did was to protect his southern flank. Without the Persians in Egypt he could concentrate all his forces on the main Eastern front. The rewards of conquering farther East were far greater than those in Egypt. Alexander had to leave someone in charge as the Egyptian 'civil service' had been destroyed by the Persians. Greek rule in Egypt would last around 3 centuries but the Roman Republic was becoming influential - as Antiochus found out in his defeat in Egypt.

    Now I'm out of Esau's crazy one sided history. Alexander was welcomed as a relief from Persian persecution. What happened in later years under the Ptolomies is a different matter. If you read their actions they brought trouble upon themselves by introducing unpopular taxation and hellenistic ways. Antiochus tried it in Palestine. The Ptolomies in Egypt. Same result - trouble.

    that's it.
     
  15. Esau

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    thats 3 times youve said you are leaving and you always come back, therefore you are a liar and why nobody believes any of the eurocentric fairytales you spout, like Alexander the Liberator and greek benevolence.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Alex was a masochistic homosexual warmonger who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people across the globe and the only reason he never ruled Egypt is because he met an Army too formidable and a Priesthood too wise that he had to go home and die in his bed, a failure.

    The truth about the Greeks is to be found in the Holy Books that were removed from the Bible by Europeans, because after they Burnt down the Library in Egypt to hide the truth, there was little written record of the wars that the greeks undertook in Egypt. Today, the best sources for the truth about the [greek] evil seed (Maccabees 1) is to be found in Roman sources. Here we learn about the first recorded guerilla campaings, the enslavement of native Egyptians, the execution of native Pharaohs, the "traitors" within the Egyptian ranks who would later be seen as the very people who initiated the Great Rebellion to Greek Rule. There is so much that western education is hiding because they dont want Greece (the wests torch bearers) to be seen in its true light, as warmongering tyrants.

    You leaving is a sign of defeat because you CANNOT back up your claim that "The Ptolomies were welcomed into Egypt as Saviours. "

    This is just an extension of the "white Saviour" myth that the Maniac European Devils In Action like to push alongside their "education" system which is littered with white supremacist doctrine

    I havent even got started so its best you leave as im really gonna pull up some greek skirts and expose them as illegitimate frauds who pretended to rule Egypt but were never blessed to rule Egypt by the High Priests, which can be proven if you study their Royal Signatures and Cartouche






     
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    The Libyans and Nubians are classed as Egyptian Dynasties, that is how Manetho classified them and how contemporary scholars who followed suite do. However, the Greek and Roman Dynasties are not classed as Egyptian but as the Ptolemic and Roman dynasties respectively. There were only 30 Dynasties recorded by Manetho. Anything after that is illegitimate and written in by the conquerors. The victor writes the history and all that. So ye, write the greeks into Dynastic Egypt if you want but its still fake and only "trevor" writing the greeks into history lmao
     
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    how im supposed to read that train wreck of a post. you said you were done with this topic, iguess you are lying again. how then can we believe anything you post if you continue to lie about not posting here ever again
     
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    Another Lie!

    When we inquire into the factors which brought about the spirit of nationalist revolt under the later Ptolemies, especially in Upper Egypt, an important one was probably the continued maintenance of the Pharaonic tradition in the Nile country to the south of Egypt. The Greek conquerors had subjugated Egypt, but they had not subjected the whole realm of the ancient Pharaohs, the whole area of Egyptian culture; and so long as the Egyptian nationalists saw their old tradition still ruling, there just beyond the southern frontier, they might well refuse to believe that it had been crushed for good. After all, the old legends told of Egyptian kings in former days, when Egypt was overrun by strangers, taking refuge in Ethiopia on the Upper Nile and issuing thence again to recover the land down to the sea.

    In the year 200‑199 we hear incidentally that Abydos was being besieged.Then, in 197, it is in the Delta that we find the rebels dangerous. They are in possession of the town of Lycopolis in the Busirite nome.
    The rebel bands have taken refuge behind its walls, and are besieged there by government troops, the young king, it would seem, being present with his soldiers. The summer of 197 saw an abnormally high rise of Nile, which threatened, by submerging the siege-works constructed round the town, to compel the king's troops to relax their pressure. To obviate this, the king's troops blocked the canals which fed the neighbourhood of Lycopolis and diverted the water elsewhere. The rebel chiefs saw that their position was hopeless, and capitulated.

    The king, says Polybius, "treated them cruelly, and fell into many dangers." The vague phrase, due perhaps to the abbreviator of Polybius, probably means that the cruelty of the king's reprisals provoked more furious revolts later on. Another set of rebels — the chiefs who had headed the nationalist revolt under Ptolemy Philopator — were apparently brought to Memphis, and their execution combined with the ceremonies of the king's enthronement as a Pharaoh on Phaophi, 197. One can hardly make the boy of twelve responsible for what was done; even if he was officially of age, his public actions must have been still those of his Greek ministers.

    Rosetta Stone

    many think the rosetta stone is an egyptian relic, it was in fact a decree written in various languages by the greeks [ptolemy] proclaiming military victory over the native egyptian pharaohs yet trevor states that Egyptians welcomed greeks as saviours

    lmao poor naive little soul or a eurocentric devil, you decide!
     
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    The Source of the Greek Tragedy

    Grainger writes that failure ‘is the most notable result of Alexander’s life work: for all his military prowess, he was one of the world’s great failures – and that failure spelt misery and death for countless thousands of people. Not only that, he brought that failure on himself.’ Alexander destroyed a great empire, of course.

    But in doing so he substantially weakened his own Macedonia, which his father Philip had built, and so destroyed own country as well. Soon after, Macedonia was so weakened that it succumbed to invasion by Gauls. Most of all he destroyed Greece: Alexander’s reign marked the end of the great age of Greek achievement as the Greek cities were repeatedly pillaged by groups of mercenaries commanded by one warlord after another.

    On the surface it seems quite astonishing that many in today’s western world who unhesitatingly condemn the politics of imperialism, aggression and invasion, who openly disapprove of brutal tyrannies, will equally lionise Alexander the Great as one of history’s noblest heroes.

    Why the contradiction? Whatever it was, Alexander’s achievement was first and foremost that of Macedon, but his legacy was quickly usurped at first by Greece and subsequently by Rome, the two main fountainheads of European civilisation and European identity.

    Furthermore, Alexander’s conquests were directed at the perceived other, at a power perceived not only as non-European but identified with the antithesis of Greek – hence ‘western’ – ideals. More than any other single historical figure, therefore, Alexander has become the pan-European hero, an icon who has come to stand for the image that Europe perceives itself.

    Alexander is a flawed ideal. Sources as divergent as the Bible and Seneca describe Alexander as a ‘beast’. Alexander was, without doubt, a military genius, albeit not as great a one as he is generally thought. Alexander the great, all-round super-hero must at least be closely scrutinised
     
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    are we done yet or are you going to bear false witness still? ive got info for days, you really want ME to be your tutor?!
     
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