New Zealand Prime Minster Acts to Weaken Its Citizenry with a Ban

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  1. BobbyJoe

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    Gun deaths per capita

    New Zealand is 50th
    Total 1.07
    Homicide 0.11
    Suicide 0.84

    U.S. is 10th
    Total 12.21
    Homicide 4.46
    Suicide 7.32
     
  2. BobbyJoe

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    Your posts seem like koolaid to me.

    Fact is, most people don't own guns, don't want guns, and want stricter gun control.

    You can't control what the people want.
     
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    50% of the people in the US own at least one gun.
     
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  4. Reality

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    Again if the vast majority of people didnt support the right youd be able to get a constitutional amendment to change it. No amount of lobbying or gerrymandering stops the "vast majority"

    As to why: that's the intent of the laws, to make it difficult or burdensome to do so to discourage people from doing it.
     
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    Most people don't want a gun. Most people want stricter laws.

    The things they do want and need, driving, medication, food....everything.....all controlled.
     
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    Most people are cowards.
     
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    A coward is a person who is so scared of everything they cling to a gun.
     
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    It looks like many of the gun fearing alt-lefties will have an option following Trumps re-election
     
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    Not true. Over 40% of the households in the US own guns. That is far from the vast majority do not own guns.
     
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    The U.S.A should ban all guns but those that were manufactured and available to the public when our constitution was signed. Issue resolved:)
     
  11. Belch

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    I guess you have a point. I do fear tyrannical governments, which is why we have a 2nd amendment. If you're not scared of tyranny, then you know nothing of history.
     
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    The same should apply to automobiles since they kill more people than guns.
     
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    What part of the fact that 50% of the American people own at least one gun did you fail to understand the first time?
     
  14. Robert

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    We have a name for those.


    Democrats.

    Democrats could cure a lot of this by teaching Democrats not to kill humans, to stop committing crimes and that crime does not pay.

    When you read of blacks in jail, democrats teach to free them. When you read up on a black killer, Democrats claim they did not get fair trials. But if they are anti gun, why aren't they anti black killers?
     
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    Royal Crown of London mouthpiece? What the hell are you talking about?
    Do you think that New Zealand has a right to bear arms?

    More leverage how?

    The killer was Australian.
     
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  16. Robert

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    If one captured every Democrat once they finished high school, removed their index fingers, it would dramatically reduce gun death. And it works on the party committing crime and not on innocent citizens.
     
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    What the hell are you even talking about?
     
  18. Primus Epic

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    What should "gun people" stop? What has the average law abiding "gun person" done that warrants them to stop something, exactly? I've defined precisely what Liberals should stop doing and that's pointing the finger at law abiding people while telling them they should stop relying on the United States Constitution as something they should count on as being real. Who does that? Who tells law abiding people to stop believing in the United States Constitution and what it proclaims as the truth about how our nation was founded? Who does that other than someone who disrespects the United States Constitution in those areas it does not like and for completely narcissistic reasons other than those seeking "Social Order" they design, engineer and conduct themselves and all by themselves?

    Nobody is calling out Liberals for what they are. Nobody is getting down to Causation. The Causation is Narcissism. Absolute, total and unbridled belief systems that tell the individual that they have some gawd given right from on high to dictate the content within the lives of others. Total Narcissism is the root cause of Liberalism, but I've never heard anyone actually come out and say that. The Narcissistic Philosophy of these two people are nearly identical:

    Narcissist in New Zealand:
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    Narcissist in The United States:
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    These are the faces of Political Narcissism. The unbridled and highly flawed failed belief that you are Entitled to Control and Manipulate the world around you. Pure and Simple. From Praising Abortion to Banning Firearms, there is a definite, distinctive and highly recognizable pathology that exists among those who are Political Narcissists. You can smell them from 1,000 kilometers away. They reek with Control Theories and they most definitely Conspire to rid the world of everything they don't like, don't understand, don't care to learn about and don't get along with when they cannot Control it.

    You want to talk about this with me, then let's do it right. But, don't for one minute use some lame excuse that somehow "gun people" have something to stop. Let's talk about what happens when you fail to Parent your Children! Let's talk about how those brats never grow up, never mature, never learn to take responsibility for their own behavior and always look to blame someone else for their failings. Let's talk about how that ethos produces a Dependent Adult Child that the State now has to care for at Taxpayer expense. Why? Because they never received the Leadership in the Home when they were of developmental years from Parents who gave a damn enough to not cripple them emotionally and psychologically down range as they chronologically age but never reach full Mental and Emotional Adulthood.

    Let's stop abusing our Children that way. Can we stop that? I'm curious - can we do it? **** we are banning stuff today, let's go all the way with banning things. How about we Banish Bad Parents to another Planet? Can we do that? Let's get into something here that will actually have genuine impact. Let's jail all Bad Parents. Wow! Did that just fill up our State Prisons or what? Let's give Bad Parents a life sentence without parole for screwing up their Children's lives by not modeling for them appropriately - where they then go out in society causing havoc among law abiding people.

    Let's get real. Banning firearms is not real. Social, Communistic, Liberalism (if I can blend those terms together) has just created a new Black Market for Firearms in New Zealand. A new cottage industry has just emerged under Jacinda's watch.


    The Second Amendment needs no interpretation. You act like it was written in the language of Martians or some other sentient life from another planet. It was written in late 18th Century English and it is absolutely without the need for any interpolation of any kind, whatsoever. Here, I'll reprint it for you:

    "Shall Not Be Infringed."

    Four (4) words drafted in one sentence having a simple predicate and a simple subject. No presupposition that needs extra-interpretation and no supposition that needs dismantling by scholars and historians or decoding against an ancient codex having yet to be discovered or unearthed. The language could not be any clearer, more direct, more to the point, more succinct and certainly no less relevant TODAY as it was the day it was adopted in 1791, December 15.


    The Constitution does not read:

    "Shall not be infringed except upon the future discovery of a Liberal mindset, whereupon and wherewith, the new interpretation of all that is written herein be all at once laid prone, prostrate and subject to any decreed and/or changes as seen fit by those who of the Communistic, Liberal, Socialist Agenda or any facsimile thereof, all at the same time may indeed dislike."


    Of course, I have a way with words, but I'm sure the Founders would have all agreed with my prose, where you statement above filled with even the slightest bit of remorseful truth.


    The People need to stand up against Tyranny. Period. That's what the Founders stood up against. That's WHY they drafted the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. That's why they fought a war. The did all that so that YOU would have a fighting chance to defend yourself and your family from the evils of tyranny that THEY stood in the gap to fight for future generations of Americans. WHEN do you Liberals wake up and realize the reasons behind the WHY of the Second Amendment. When?

    You are not educated on this subject. You are spewing Liberal dogma without cohesion of thought or any respect for rational dissertation about the very principles you lay claim to as being well within your sphere of understanding. It is abundantly clear that you fail to understand even the most fundamental of principles that the Founders etched into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Here it is:

    FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

    Somebody had to pay dearly for the freedoms that Liberals jack off so carelessly.

    Sad.
     
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  19. Robert

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    I am blaming the guilty party.
     
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    Folks I did say IF. Do I want this? No but can we start to hear from the gun loving Democrats please? Are there any in your crowd?

    Don't be shy, tell us Democrats the importance of both our 2nd amendment plus the importance of guns?
     
  21. Primus Epic

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    Where in those stats does it say that they are not safer because of firearms? Where in the United States Constitution does it say that the reason for the Second Amendment was to make you safe? The Constitution specifically tells you that the reason was to "secure" and "maintain" a "free State."


    Where in the United States Constitution does it precondition and or qualify gun ownership as the litmus test for whether or not the "Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (?) Can you show that?
     
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    Nah, 40% will admit to owning guns.
     
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    Just in case you never read it:

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    I missed the point of the question because the question presupposes a nonsequitur as its precondition.
     
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    You could easily be another statistic when your gun is in some stupid safe when you need it most.

    If you want to keep your gun under lock and key, that's you. Mine is right here just in case...

    and yes, it's loaded.
     

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