Collusion Bombshell: Ukraine Opens Investigation into Hillary Getting Illegal Help from Former Sovie

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  1. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    That tax fraud you are referring to was money laundering. Money laundering is when you take money that was generated through illegal activity and attempt to make it appear that it was generated through a legitimate source. On top of this, he was acting under the shared interest of an enemy of the United States. That is to say he was laundering for a pro-Russian party in Ukraine
     
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  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess the press was not informed.

    Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III filed a vastly expanded criminal indictment against President Trump’s former campaign manager and his partner on Thursday, more than doubling the number of charges they face.

    Paul W. Manafort Jr. and Richard J. Gates III were first charged with 12 counts on Oct. 30. Both pleaded not guilty, although Gates is expected to plead guilty and testify against Manafort.

    The new, superseding indictment includes 16 counts related to false individual income tax returns, seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. five counts of bank fraud conspiracy and four counts of bank fraud.



    The expanded charges ratchet up the legal danger they face in court.

    Manafort and Gates both had worked on behalf of Ukraine’s pro-Russia government, but that work dried up after President Viktor Yanukovych fled the country in 2014, according to the indictment.

    Afterward, the indictment says, they secured more than $20 million in fraudulent loans by "falsely inflating Manafort's and his company's income and by failing to disclose existing debt."

    The alleged scheme lasted through 2016, according to the indictment, but it does not mention their work on the Trump campaign or any cooperation with Russian operatives who used social media, hacking and other tactics to meddle in the U.S. presidential race.

    On Tuesday, an associate of Gates pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in the course of the Russia investigation. Alex van der Zwaan, a former lawyer at a premier law firm, admitted to lying about his contacts with Gates.
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la...charges-in-manafort-1519335654-htmlstory.html
     
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    All the libs cry that Israel needs to return the Golan Heights. If they are so anti-Putin, anti-Russia, if they had any love for Ukraine, where are the cries for Russia to return Crimea?
     
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    :censored: have no standards. Obama openly interfered in Israels sovergn election and maybe they hacked the DNC to retaliate after bb won ;)

    :censored: are trying to allow foreign nationals from anywhere and everywhere to vote in US elections while crying about Russian interference and a few Facebook ads. Truly a pathetic lot they are.
     
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    "Revised charges allege Manafort engaged in a conspiracy involving money laundering, tax fraud, failing to report foreign bank accounts, violating rules requiring registration of foreign agents, lying and witness tampering."

    "Both criminal cases relate to consulting work he and his associate Rick Gatesdid on behalf of pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine in the years before both men worked on Trump’s campaign."


    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/ex-...deal-with-special-counsel-robert-mueller.html

    and for the record, money laundering is a form of tax fraud. It's basically filing your illegal income as a legal taxable income as a means of avoiding tax evasion (which is how Al Capone was brought down, he wasn't charged for dealing alcohol illegally, he was brought down for tax evasion)


     
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  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for your citing the press.
     
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    Do you deny that Manafort was charged for money laundering?
     
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    Expeditious extradition is key.
     
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    Id like to see a felony sweep of HRC. But for 10 minutes before hand, send in this guy overhead...


    And then to get her back to the Ukraine ASAP...
     
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    Hillary is gonna get The Chair, for SURE (this time).

    Serious Bidness. :salute:
     
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    Why? Are folks coming up dead there?

    Arkancide: Death by Clinton.
     
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    AJ when I read this I thought you said Hillary is gonna get THE WHITEHOUSE".

    I seem to recall you were a Hillary supporter.

    Can you elaborate?
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What ????????????? Thank you for the second time for your article.
     
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    As a good citizen of the world it is essential.
     
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    Am I not a citizen?

    Are we not in the world?
     
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    Thank goodness she has had all these incompetent republican presidents who couldn’t stop her murder spree lol
     
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    The Ukrainian investigators assemble. Maybe it's just me but there's something familiar about these people:

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First I believed you showed us Antifa.
     
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    That is how psychological programming works, yes.
     
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    We're going to have problems getting our intel people on foreign soil(Ukraine.) Of course, I'd prefer our people but we'll see how much info we're able to gleam and as you said: How much of it is credible. I can't be mad at the false intelligence provided by Steele, then blindly accept other people's intelligence.
     
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    Well, our guys have been successful in investigating activity from countries like North Korea and Russia, investigating activity coming from one of our allies shouldn't be a greater challenge, as we should hopefully have greater cooperation from them, but ultimately must have greater trust in our own intelligence over theirs.
     
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    I know things are classified, for the purpose of national security. But I feel like because of the political nature of the intelligence/investigations, it undermines the United States that some of these things are classified. If you can accuse a sitting President(uninformally and not in a court room) of a crime, or a presidential candidate of a crime(HRC). Then there needs to be proof of these claims.

    Simply stating a claim, not only delegitimizes the candidate but also has the same effects it would have on any other private person. At the very least, this info should've been strictly to the Grand Jury.(It's so paradoxical. On one hand, a way to avoid political damage is to be open about it. But another way to avoid the damage is to maintain the secrecy of the process, but speculation undermines it.)

    In this regard, I hold great despising of the Democratic Party. No party has done more to undermine national security, than the resistance to the Trump Administration. And despite what many people think, this goes beyond Trump. Unless or if Trump's actually formally charged with a crime(or information that can be released to suggest such, anyway.), it is in fact political. We may not want to call it that, but it is that.

    And because it's that, I ask you a question as an independent: Why should I recognize a Sanders, Warren, Harris or O'Rouke Administration? Because of my Nationalism and patriotism towards the Fatherland? But see, that only rewards the incoming administration for faith on the Nation, not faith unto themselves.

    If it remains at the political level, I have every political reason to accuse Sanders, etc of the same.(I actually have very strong political objections to them, but for the purpose of this post let's keep it to a hypothetical 'pay you back' approach). Of course, for legal purposes it goes without question to say that I will continue to obey our laws and customs, but recognition does not necessarily mean political action against the individual or the administration. Recognition means respect.

    If the prior administration was not respected, I have no reason to respect(and therefore) recognize this one. Because of the resistance, we will have an ineffectual government until minimum 2024.
     
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    This one's really priceless Mello. I've said all along that Putins election meddling was in retaliation for Obama / Clinton meddling in Ukraine. The Ukrainian insurgents responsible for carrying out the US sponsored coup in Ukraine, are the one's being targeted. Hilldabeast's Ukrainian guerrillas fed intel to Vicky Nuland. Both at the State Dept. and at Hilldabeast's campaign HQ.
     
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    Research Vicky Nuland. Wiki published Vicky's State Dept. "cables" years ago. Nuland was a key conduit for the US sponsored coup in Ukraine. Nuland was the contact the Ukrainian guerrillas pssed Yanukovych's "black ledger" to. Not while Nuland was at State, but working for Hilldabeast's campaign.
     
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    Fed info about that crook Manafort? Cry me a river lol
     

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