How rational countries deal with gun violence.

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  1. kriman

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    I live about a hundred miles or so from a city of around a million people. They have one of the highest gun death records in the country. Sometimes one of the criminals comes our way expecting us to be an easy mark.
     
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    I don't have a gun for those reasons. I do not carry a gun. I have several in the house. They are for home break ins which do happen.
     
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    The people in these villages don't all have guns - the "law" is not enforced.
     
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    The law does not have to be enforced. Just the knowledge that the majority of the people have guns is usually enough to discourage break ins. The unknowns are sometimes just as effective as the knowns.
     
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    The unknowns occur in every US city! And that "law" states it does not apply to "the mentally ill, convicted felons, conscientious objectors and people who cannot afford to own a gun".

    So a pointless political law.
     
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    And I never said handled them while impaired in fact I pointed out that even blackout drunk I wouldn't handle them.

    Have a hard time with colloquial insults eh?
     
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    Neither the law nor the unknown apply because there is no serious crime in those mouse-holes. I think I finally found an excuse to relate a true story.

    I was in the Army in the Central Highlands of Vietnam 1966 - 1967. One day this fellow came walking passed me mumbling, "A-oh! A-oh! A-oh!" I asked him if he lost his mind. "No", says he, "I'm scaring away the elephants!" I told him he did lose his mind but he replied, "It works! You don't see any elephants, do you!"

    So here you have a law (that isn't really a law anyway) compelling people of a village (that has no crime) to arm themselves and then attributing the continuation of crimeless-ness to the newly proclaimed law. Pitiful!
     
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    No. The only problem is with two-legged weasels.
     
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    If there was no crime, it would be different from the towns I grew up in or live near now.
    Like I said, only the knowledge that they are more likely to have a gun is enough.
     
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    Sorry, but that does not compute and I think you missed the point. Are you following this? What kept serious crime down before the pseudo-law and "knowledge that you might have a gun"?
     
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    There are no absolutes. For me, my wife and I are too far from law enforcement to be of any help. I have no doubt that a n intruder is less apt to try to intrude, if he believes there is a good chance there is an armed person in the house. I refuse to sit out here defenseless against some nut job that decides to come in. I have owned a gun since I was thirteen. With my experience, I feel perfectly safe handling a weapon.
     
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    Yes, I understand. In your situation, I would feel the very same way.
     
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    The NZ response time was ONLY 36 minutes... in a city............

    And we all know you can't get anything done in 36 minutes....
     
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    When seconds count, law enforcement is only minutes away.
     
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    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C.S. Lewis
     
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    If no one had a gun it never would have happened.
     
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    You're right instead hed have used the bombs he made and a truck or two, assuming you could waive your magic wand and poof all the bad bad guns away
     
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    If my uncle had tits she'd be my aunt.
     
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    ..... and .....
    It's like this, dear friends:
    Gun kookies are fond of referring to any shooting of schools, post offices, churches, road rages, cinemas, watevers ... saying, "If everyone had a gun it never would have happened". Are you not tired of hearing that hogwash? Pit that nonsense against my newly-created reply, "If no one had a gun it never would have happened". And which can be said to always be true? Mine, of course for when the gun blazes (and reaps its havoc) the absence of a gun could not have created the scene. Now if everyone had a gun the risk for mayhem is very high and you can bet your Mattel, John Wayne plastic pop gun that someone is going to be badly injured or die.

    And now for even more logic, boys and girls.
    @Reality:
    We are talking about guns. You do know what a gun is, right? Bombs are bombs guns are guns and just to help you to understand just how ridiculous your reply is I have to remind you that your gun wouldn't make any contribution to stopping the explosion of a bomb anyway.

    @Longshot:
    Lots of uncles devolpe tits (when they get older) but as long as they are packing a gazakus below the belt they ain't never gonna' be your auntie.
     
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    We are talking about an actual event dear: Its a documented fact that that piece of **** in New Zealand had IED's he'd made.
    In his little screed he announces he chose firearms rather than doing a bomb and truck attack because doing so stirs the pot in the US and he wants to make a big splash so he can jerk off to that **** while he rots in prison for what remains of his miserable life.

    If guns had somehow been unavailable he would've used bombs.

    Let's see: more than 100 million owners of more than 300 million guns on record. This wouldn't count all the private sales transactions you're all so afeared of. These are just the ones documented. Doesn't count criminals who've illegally acquired firearms either. But let's just use the base number.

    Of those 100 million owners there are around 33k gun deaths. 22k or so of those are suicides. Leaving about 11k murders or thereabouts. Of those, some are justifiable homicides by citizens including police shootings. But let's just use the base number, 11k. 11,000/100,000,000 = .00011

    ^ remembering that 1) the 100m comes from a number that doesn't include criminals barred the possession of arms (gang violence being the top seller in gun deaths) or owners who acquired through private sale (booga booga booga) and 2) the homicide number includes justifiable homicides as well.

    I think you're "clutching your pearls" to use a colloquialism that invokes a particular tableau.
     
  23. Thingamabob

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    That was much ado about little having to do with the main issue spelled out on the OP:

    "New Zealand shooting: Prime minister says gun reforms are coming"

    To refresh your memory, the subject is about guns, their availability, and reforms implemented with the purpose of reducing it. Bombs are a diversion and were introduced into the main theme by insinuating they would have been used had the perp not had (or not had chosen) a gun. My response is spot on > > > > > had he used a bomb then your pistol would have had no effect on the blast. So, making it seem that a firearm is preferable to a bomb is nothing more than a red herring. Be sensible and quit your indignant comments about "colloquialisms" and "particular tableaux". As it stands anyone can get his/her hands on a gun. But a bomb? Well!
     
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    Indeed. I can shoot back, I cant blast back. Which is why I prefer the guns being available.

    Bombs can be made out of what you've got under the sink
     
  25. Thingamabob

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    That is precisely why "gun reforms" (in the OP if you care to check) are being sought. You are just talking in circles.

    Why do you insist on bringing up bombs? They have nothing to do with the thread nor do they make liberal gun laws any more logical or sought after.
     

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