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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Try actually READING the statute in question;


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

    Nowhere did Hillary KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLY pass classified information to any foreign government.

    The PROSECUTION must be able to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that she INTENDED to do so via the use of that server.

    They would have to PROVE that she KNEW that the server could be hacked. That is an IMPOSSIBLE thing to prove about someone who knows nothing at all about servers and how they work.

    Furthermore she NEVER put any classified information ON the server thereby establishing that there was NO INTENT WHATSOEVER!

    She did nothing wrong because BOTH of her predecessors had used PRIVATE SERVERS.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong on ALL COUNTS!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not the only code which applies.
    18 U.S. Code § 1924.Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
    Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924
    There are others that cover this.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    You Trumpsters go right on believing that.

    You couldn't get to 50% of the vote in 2016, and you won't in 2020. And lucking out in a statistical fluke won't happen twice.

    You seem to forget (or think it helps you) that now there is no restraint on any of the investigating committees subpoening anyone in the Trump ADministration or asking any question about the Russia isssue on live national television.

    So, while Mueller did not reccomend any further indictments, it exhonorated no one.

    And watching the likes of Satyr, Don Jr, Kushner, and the rest of the Trump clowns contradict one another, get caught lying (which has already happened).

    Of course, they will have Mueller's report as a road map. The Grand Jury may not have chosen to indict anyone, but the report will be a catalog of Trump conduct, lying, conspiracy and influence peddling.

    And there's still the Southern District of New York.

    The Mueller report will be made public. This is inevitable.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    I'm fairly certain that he will be facing indictment on Inauguration day or shortly thereafter.

    The "operative word" you claim is irrelevant. We have not seen the report.

    But we will. And you Trumpsters won't like it one bit.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you're missing with all the "lock her up" mania is the purpose for which it was started. It was always about creating a rallying cry to perpetuate the mythology around the "entrenched deep state." It's a campaign slogan for the aggrieved, it was never meant to be taken literally. Think of it this way. It's similar to why the Repubs held seven investigations in to Benghazi. Aside from scolding the State Dept. for a lack of communication about embassy security no serious wrongdoing was found. But those investigations were very helpful in allowing the Repubs to establish a completely dishonest narrative about Hillary the base believes to this day. So too with the server matter.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It does not make any difference "how it started".
    She put a server in her closet. Intentionally. Fact.
    The server was not certified for classified information. Fact.
    The server was used to store, send and receive classified information. Fact.
    It went on for an extended period. Fact.
    She broke the law. Fact.
    For her not to have known about it would mean she was extremely ignorant.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong yet again!

    Knowingly requires INTENT!

    You cannot PROVE that Hillary had any such INTENTION!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How can she possibly claim she did not intend for that server to be put in her closet? Are you claiming she is that ignorant?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong AGAIN!

    It was NEVER INTENDED to "store, send and receive classified information" so you are 100% WRONG about that!

    She never INTENTIONALLY broke the law so you are wrong about that too.

    Yes, she was ignorant about how servers work but that is NOT A CRIME!

    If it was your beloved BLOTUS should be locked up!
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've tried to help you get over your obsession but I can see now it is too entrenched. You're like the guy who keeps denying man made climate change while he watches his house get swept away by the rising ocean level.
    It was always a campaign ploy and nothing more. Get over it.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Vapid STRAWMAN duly noted and dismissed.
     
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    LOL, poor Tom. All your lengthy, verbose, angry rants you've been feeding us for years, rants about Trump not running, not winning the nomination, losing to Hillary, rants about Trump Russia collusion, about indicting Trump and Family "any day now", about Trump firing Mueller and Muller interviewing Trump, about frog-marching Trump, Jr, Ivanka, Kushner...

    if only one word in your rants has ever proven to be correct. :D
     
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  14. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She broke the law. What is there to get over? Show me how she did not break the law?
    What strawman? She knew that server was in her closet. She used it.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That may end up being a premature conclusion. I think Don's greatest legal jeopardy comes from the SDNY regarding his biz practices. Something Chris Christie has been saying for some time.
     
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    Why are you still talking about this? :deadhorse: This Hillary thing has been investigated 12 or is it 13 times by REPUBLICANS. Verdict = there's nothing, zero, zip so why do you continue to belabor the point? Very strange. No matter how hard the Trumpets try, you won't deflect us from this one. If the AG tries to supply Congress with a summary or bullet list it will start a riot. Congress and us (Americans, Independents, and the majority) want the full story and we will get it. Then, this report will hit Random House, become a best seller, and let's see where it goes from there. Hillary isn't even in the noise for us. Give it a rest.
     
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    I've been reticent to comment on Mueller's investigation all along, except to say that he is 'the best of the best' in that arena and that 'we have to wait and see'. And that hasn't changed for me. We haven't seen the report, and don't know what's in it or what will come of it.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The server was investigated once by the FBI. She was found not guilty by reason of ignorance.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My apologies. I didn't mean to get you agitated by reminding you she committed no crime.

    Maybe you could re-purpose that "Lock Her Up" sign in your closet and make it in to a "Free Paul Manafort" sign.
     
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    The bombardments will continue well beyond 2020.....it’s politics!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Explain how she committed no crime.
    She put a server in her closet. Intentionally. Fact.
    The server was not certified for classified information. Fact.
    The server was used to store, send and receive classified information. Fact.
    It went on for an extended period. Fact.
    That is against the law.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    We can expect a continuation of the investigative/legal pursuit of justice vs the pr "talking points" attempts at delegitimizing the fact-finding efforts.

    Much of what the Trump Justice Department's Special Counsel uncovered is being pursued in other law enforcement venues.

    Whilst broad, he central focus of Mueller's assigned purview was to expose details of Putin's having interfered with the US democratic process to hurt Clinton and help Trump (as confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA and Republican-led Senate Committee on Intelligence.) That should by the focus of his report.

    Trump still faces legal perils that are properly being addressed elsewhere.
     
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    Your Confirmation Bias is PREVENTING you from dealing with the FACTS regarding how the Law of the Land REQUIRES INTENT!

    Given the above that effectively disqualifies you from any further meaningful interaction on this topic as far as I am concerned.

    Hillary did NOT INTENTIONALLY break the law ergo she was never charged because the law REQUIRES INTENT.

    End of story.
     
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    Your fake claim, as an attempt at diversion, fizzles.

    During the years of relentless, Republican-led Congressional inquiries, followed by two years of Trumpery infesting the Executive, Senate, and House, with all their prosecutorial puissance and privilege, please list the indictments, convictions, and confessions to which you refer.

    Are you attributing gross incompetence and/or willful negligence to all who failed to grant you your wish?
     

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