Norwegian man sentenced to 6 years for giving girlfriend abortion pill laced smoothie

Well then, I don't see the connection to your analogy then.

What does a brain dead patient have to do with the specific topic of this thread?

 

I NEVER SAID A WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO ASSAULT HERSELF.
So you saying I did makes you a _ _ _ _ .

This isn't about a woman assaulting herself .
Duh, what other women do or don't do has nothing to do with this case of one person assaulting another person.


No, we don't have to debate whether this was assault or not ...the court/law did that.

 

Stop playing semantic games.

I stated that what you think constitutes assault happens to be the same thing women do to themselves that you defend, and that the issue was only a matter of consent.

 

I NEVER SAID A WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO ASSAULT HERSELF.
So you saying I did makes you a _ _ _ _ .

This isn't about a woman assaulting herself .
Duh, what other women do or don't do has nothing to do with this case of one person assaulting another person.


No, we don't have to debate whether this was assault or not ...the court/law did that.

AS USUAL, you HAD to cherry pick my post to avoid addressing points.

It is NOT "semantics games" when a poster "misrepresents" what another poster posted.

It's called something else and it's not nice .

The matter is NOT "ONLY" a matter of consent.

It all hinges on consent. If a woman doesn't consent to being drugged it's assault to drug her.

If a woman doesn't consent to an abortion it assault to force her to abort.

 

So you're claiming I misrepresented what you stated?

Then maybe you shouldn't have called it "assault", you should have said something like "something serious was done to her body without her consent".

Or at the very least "medical assault".

 

Squirming and wriggling and no facts....

DUH, "something serious done to her body" without her consent IS ASSAULT.


WTF is "medical assault"....some new term you thought up to cover butt?

 

It basically means, in this situation, it is common for many people to do it to themselves, but it involves some sort of medical effect with bodily implications, so it constitutes assault if it was done to them without their consent, even though it's not exactly an attack, which is the word most people automatically associate with assault, because it's a common medical procedure.

Like for example if you have tapeworms, and the you tell the doctor you don't want to get rid of them because they're making you lose weight and slimming your figure, but he secretly gives you a load of laxatives to flush them all out anyway, without your consent, then that would be "medical assault".
The difference is, under many common circumstances patients would ask the doctor to do that.
It's a bit different and less severe than common assault.

 

It's just part of your imagination...assault is assault....if a doctor "secretly gives you laxatives" that is assault....not "medical assault"" because a doctor did it ….what an asinine idea!



That is so nonsensical.

If a golfer secretly gives you a laxative is it known as "golfer assault"....and not really "assault" ?? LOL!

 

I didn't say or infer anything of the sort -- You are making things up like a petulant child ... building a big fat strawman so you have something to attack.

 

That is kind of what I was thinking but unfortunately we don't know what kind of suffering she went through. 6 years seems pretty harsh if the scenario is as you describe.

 

OK Stop it .. I have told you how many times now what the difference is between a descriptive adjective and a noun. Obviously it is human ... the question is whether or not it is "a human".

I agree - the punishment seems for more - seems like there is some hypocrisy in law going on -- Just like here - go figure

 

He's being punished for killing her fetus. That's the only explanation.

 

Looks like it but - not enough info to say so for sure.

 

"Norwegian man sentenced to 6 years for giving girlfriend abortion pill laced smoothie"

forced abortion is as much a crime as forced child birth, both take away the freedom to choose from the women

 

I would call forced abortion an assault of a pregnant women

 

Well then it's no longer inherently about what was done to the woman herself, but all about her consent.

You're basically saying one is not really all that more evil than another, you just want the woman to choose.

Birth isn't all that terrible.

 

Why would you?
It's okay if she does it to herself, in fact you demand she has the right to.

 

you can smack yourself in the face and it's not assault either, but if you do it to someone else it is

 

OMG...you're taking his word on what happened ??? The king of weird scenarios and bizarre "what ifs"?

Why don't you read the truth or search it yourself ????

You gave yourself a hint in your first sentence """""we don't know what kind of suffering she went through""""...but you and kas, on the same wavelength, have acted like you do...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
You indicated everything I said in my post .


You dismiss the woman's harm because YOU don't think it's so bad.....the law disagrees and rightly so, it was an ATTACK on her and caused bodily harm.


You seem to think that it is OK to take part of a woman's body without her consent...that is what you repeatedly keep saying..

A miscarriage is hardly comparable to having fingernails clipped...OH YOUR hyperbole!!!! Ask a doctor.

Giftedone: "I was not aware that there was any significant possibility of death from the abortion pill - or the suffering of serious injuries."""
"""I don't think he viewed it as assault - he just didn't want another kid""

""I have no idea what harm the woman suffered""




All minimizing or questioning what the WOMAN suffered...as if it wasn't important and....

(transalting your and kas's posts)

" oh, that poor man, he didn't know that drugs could harm people or it was wrong to give them to people without their knowledge and oh that poor guy he just didn't want a kid and oh that poor guy he only hurt a mere woman and we don't KNOW how badly she was really hurt so oh that poor little "man" we feel so sorry for him getting punished for only harming a woman""

 

Just OMG..... ….just....O....M....G !!

 

FreshAir said: ↑
I would call forced abortion an assault of a pregnant women

How can a woman force herself to have an abortion? Duh, it's obvious that the force has to come from someone else...and forcing someone to do something against their will that causes them harm is assault.

Funny how in here the Anti-Choicers don't think causing women harm is assault or even wrong !!

They think , ""OH that poor "man", he was punished for only assaulting a woman!" How unfair for him"""

 

forcing someone to do something against their will that causes them harm is assault.

Here's yet another question you have avoided consistently :

WHO are YOU to determine that "Birth isn't all that terrible" ?

You have no facts, no credentials, no authority, no knowledge, of what giving birth entails .

It is soley up to the pregnant person to decide if birth is acceptable or not.



Why do you insist you rule over women and their decisions??

 

From the OP:

""'After the first attempt didn't work, I thought that if it was my fault that the child was born with major malformations, I would not be able to live with that. So I decided to try again.
'I felt like a total sh*tbag when it dawned on me what I had done.'""


Gee, he did it TWICE and some in here think it wasn't bad or even an assault. Even HE said he's a sh*tbag but some in here can't even admit that.

 

You are losing it Fox - How you go from

to "You are taking his word" is beyond me.