Popular vote is just a way to steal every election for theDemocrats.

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Hahahahaha you really are triggered.
     
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    LMAO no.....but I like that your assuming is on display. Helps with what little credibility you have. So I enjoy it. :laughing:
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    I know Right.....but have you figured out we aren't laughing with you and are just laughing at you, yet? [​IMG]

    But hey at least ya got off another post. Its okay, go ahead and thank me for helping ya with that. [​IMG]
     
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    of course there would be.
    where do you keep getting lost? one vote, one voice.
    math says he was. Americans chose Clinton, not trump. the EC selected trump.
    We should never have a president serve in office, that the American people soundly rejected with their vote. The very idea is un-American.
     
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    You keep ranting....yeah you’re not triggered at all. Too funny.
     
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    What the democrats will endorse is any system that will get them elected. Balance between power of states, all the reasons for any process developed to maintain a just election- do not matter if they don't win. That is pathetic- but true. It is the reason they wish to bring in undocumented immigrants and allow them to vote, and to lower the voting age to 16. They simply seek to stack the deck in their favor- and see that as just, because after all, they deserve to get their way.

    I say that a person embracing that kind of situational ethics proves themselves unfit for office and undeserving of trust and respect from any of us.
     
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    Cmon now, you can thank me for helping you get off at least 3 extra posts that you normally wouldn't make.

    Oh and its not ranting to keep your assuming on display. Methinks you should look up the word ranting. :roflol:
     
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    The Electoral College is one of many designed impediments to democracy - which is a good thing. A very good thing.

    The Constitution was designed to protect everyone in the country from the majority. And thank God for that.

    America was founded as a republic, not a democracy. As I've said, democracy is a terrible form of government.
     
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    Says the guy who can’t even explain what socialism is in his own words. Anywho...this is beyond played out and clearly your ego won’t allow you to not have the last word so have at it and enjoy.
     
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    no it isn't. it's an obsolete way to elect a president. It has now become a detriment to the country.
    There should never be a president serving in office, who the American people soundly rejected. Ever.
    A pure democracy is terrible. Removing the EC would not make us a pure democracy. It would ensure we never have a president serving office who the American people specifically rejected.
     
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    If it wasn't for the electoral college, presidential candidates would not campaign in the less populous states.
    Don't blame the EC for Hilary's failure to campaign in some of the states.
     
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    it's 2019. Candidates aren't going on horse a buggy rides to each state or train rides. Every single American has access to the candidates platform.
    I don't care about Hillary. I didn't vote for her. I would say the same thing if Clinton had received less votes than trump, but still was selected president.

    There should never, EVER, be a president serving office who the American people specifically rejected.
     
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    They won't campaign in those states and will not try to satisfy the needs of those states. They will only campaign in the most populous areas. The platform may not fit with those states needs.
     
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    No platform is going to fit with every states needs. It's impossible. But there is no need to go and campaign in any state. It's 2019. Everyone has access to the internet and tv.
     
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    With current EC system...
    Two-thirds of Presidential Campaign Is in Just 6 States
    Two-thirds (273 of 399) of the general-election campaign events in the 2016 presidential race were in just 6 states (Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and Michigan).

    94% of the 2016 events (375 of the 399) were in 12 states (the 11 states identified in early 2016 as "battleground" states by Politico and The Hill plus Arizona). This fact validates the statement by former presidential candidate and Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin on September 2, 2015, that “The nation as a whole is not going to elect the next president. Twelve states are.”
     
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    If they got rid of it, nearly 100 percent would be in about three states.
     
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    But they could do anything they want or not do anything in those small states because they would not longer count.
     
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    I personally think the popular vote is the best way. I understand the reason the EC was formed, but I do not agree with it. The entire concept was flawed. In a democracy, the minority should not have equal control with the majority that defeats the purpose of a democracy all together.

    I do believe that there should be measures in place to protect the interests of the minority of voters, such as those in rural areas, but outright giving them equal control over the voting process means that we are not actually a democratic nation.

    The main issue I have with the EC is the idea of superdelegates who can vote for whomever they want, and are almost always party insiders for whoever controls state legislatures. A number of smaller states have basically rigged their EC delegations with superdelegates who will only vote for the the ruling partys' candidates.
    This is bad because it basically tells the majority that their votes are worthless, and that democracy is a lie. Trump and Clinton both won because of this type of system. Clinton beat Sanders in the primaries in states where Sanders easily won the popular vote because of Super-Delegates in the DNC who would only vote for a party insider like Clinton regardless of the popular vote. And, Trump won a number of states this same way during the general election, despite losing the popular vote in those states by more than a few percentage points.

    The EC allows the minority of voters to steal the election from the majority,and it allows corrupt political parties to put their members into power by appointing puppets as EC delegates, which means that the USA is not and never has been a democracy.
     
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    No it wouldn’t. A candidate can’t win the popular vote with just three states.
     
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    Every vote would count. Not sure why you think votes in small states wouldn’t count. As it is in the current format my vote has never counted as I live in MA.
     
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    But he can get enough of them so that the other states don't matter much.
    They would count, but it would only be worthwhile for the candidates to campaign in states where they can get the most votes. Why campaign in a states with less than a million people when they can campaign in a state with nearly forty million people?
     
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    I find it halarious though, that the democrats are the party that calls for the EC to be abolished, when their primaries are ran the same way, with party insiders having elections rigged with superdelegates.
     
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    Not mathematically true.

    As I showed they don’t campaign in many of those small states now.
     
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    And they will campaign in even less.
    You can't show it isn't true. If you get he majority of the big states, it will just take a few of the small states to give you a majority overall.
     
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