Colorado Joins 11 States Agreeing to Shift to Popular Vote System

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  1. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    Well, to be accurate, you replied. But I'm okay with avoidance. Carry on.
     
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    I have stirred up a controversy by flatly stating, we do not need to soak our egos in self adulation by trying to select presidents.

    Experts have their hands on far more material then we get. We get biased reports. They can actually obtain genuine facts.

    No president prior to Adams had the public doing any voting.

    Those that caved in to pressure to ask the public to play a role really screwed up.

    We have egos. I voted for Trump. Was that to polish my ego? I frankly had a different person in mind. But all my selection amounted to was the same two parties would win that always wins. I had to defeat Hillary. Had they stuck to not discussing popular vote, which in no way matters, we would not get called lousy names such as Trumpsters. We brought this on ourselves by voting for any of them. They brought on themselves by voting for Obama as we all recall. They polished the Obama turd and acted like he got there due to them. The congress considers one vote. The electoral vote. Why don't Democrats study how the system works?
     
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    no, those are the actual only 2 options. If you never want a president to serve who the American people rejected, then you don't want the EC. If you do want a president the people rejected, then you are for the EC.
    I didn't pull anything from anywhere. I pointed out reality to you.
     
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    You have this silly habit of pretending you aren't directly answered, when you in fact are directly answered. It's amusing.
     
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    It's not un-American.
     
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    I might love to vote for all Governors. Why is not the popular vote used on those offices?
     
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    Oh wow, a post about me. Shocking!
     
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    It's distinctly unamerican
     
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    you knew this was stupid when you asked it
     
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    Bald assertion fallacy.
     
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    in reply to your post about me ;)
     
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    I know difficult this is for you. Someone knows why.
     
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    You don't even know what that means, lol
     
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    yes, reading your posts is difficult for all
     
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    Everyone on the forum does.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While you believe this is about YOU, I suffer no such ego problems. And as it is not about you, it is also not about me.
     
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    Except you, apparently, lol.
     
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    your post was entirely about me, lol. Read what I ****ing type so you won't be so confused, and wrong, when you post.
     
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    Wow! Another post about me. Shocking!
     
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    You cling to a so called system that never has existed. And worse, you promote an anti constitution form of electing.

    Will you do the forum a huge favor. Change how you post. When you trash posters vs discussing the thrust of the conversation, it causes posters to want to report you. Not that I want to. I prefer sticking to the topic at hand and not blowing farts at the opposing poster.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no sonny. I was attempting to discuss the topic but had to comment for one reason as to you. You attacked me and wanted it to be about me and not the topic. You do this so often you may not notice you attack posters.
     
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    You are saying that Congress will refuse to recognise these Electors. If they are certified by the State Legislature, under what authority would they refuse to recognise them? Especially since if they were the deciding margin, the outcome would be decided by Congress, which would be widely and accurately viewed by the US Electorate as the Congressional Theft of the US Election, if they changed the outcome. I see little evidence of that level of courage in the US Congress! These inept clowns can't even condemn open anti-Semitism. A theft like that would result in the greatest turnover of Congressional seats in the next election that this nation has ever seen, and for most of these clowns, this is the best gig they have ever had, with pay far above their fair market value.

    I see 5 potential outcomes of this:

    a) Basically nothing, it never affects the outcome of the election, its meaningless posturing.
    b) It comes into play and the State Legislature must decide to either defy the express wishes of THEIR electorates and follow the Compact,
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    c) Defy the compact and seat electors as selected by their constituents.
    d) Other Compacting States then sue to enforce the Compact, and lose, because it's unenforceable.
    e) The State Legislature splits the baby and awards ECV based on Congressional Districts, thereby meeting the wishes the greatest numbers of their constituents and effectively shielding them from all counter arguments, because there is no system that will express the desire of a broader number of their constituents than that, effectively shielding them from voter backlash.

    And keep in mind that NO state has direct presidential vote, every state is actually voting for Electors.
     
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    I am not the topic
     
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    The constitution has a mechanism for choosing the president. It does not involve a plebiscite.

    "It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations." - Federalist 68
     
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    I'm saying they are creating a screwed up mess which may be froth will legal landmines and unpredictable results if it lands in court.
     

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