Colorado Joins 11 States Agreeing to Shift to Popular Vote System

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  1. Mac-7

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    There is nothing wrong with the EC

    Liberals are just sore losers
     
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  2. Robert

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    We that understand this topic understand why the congress refused to create a system of popular vote as to the office of president.

    The changes we follow today took place in time for the election of Andrew Jackson

    Perhaps it is useful to look at John Q and Andrew elections again.

    United States presidential election of 1824, American presidential election held in 1824, in which John Quincy Adams was elected by the House of Representatives after Andrew Jackson won the most popular and electoral votes but failed to receive a majority.
    United States presidential election of 1824 | United States government ...

    So this is a very long standing condition.

    Despite this well known condition, and after all these past years, the way elections are held has had the change of after 1824 applied.

    United States presidential election of 1824, American presidential election held in 1824, in which John Quincy Adams was elected by the House of Representatives after Andrew Jackson won the most popular and electoral votes but failed to receive a majority.

    Beginning in 1796, caucuses of the political parties’ congressional delegations met informally to nominate their presidential and vice presidential candidates, leaving the general public with no direct input. The subsequent demise in the 1810s of the Federalist Party, which failed even to nominate a presidential candidate in 1820, made nomination by the Democratic-Republican caucus tantamount to election as president. This early nomination system—dubbed “King Caucus” by its critics—evoked widespread resentment, even from some members of the Democratic-Republican caucus. In the election of 1820, during the period often termed the “Era of Good Feelings,” James Monroe ran unopposed, winning 231 of the 235 electoral votes (Adams received one, and three other votes were not recorded).


    Jackson, a military hero from Tennessee, was nominated by the Tennessee state legislature in 1822 and was joined in the contest by Adams, from Massachusetts and an able secretary of state under Monroe, and Kentuckian Henry Clay, the speaker of the House of Representatives, who was viewed as the candidate of the West. John C. Calhoun of South Carolina abandoned a bid for the presidency, instead choosing to run as the vice presidential nominee for both Adams and Jackson.


    The 1824 election was the first in which a large majority of electors were chosen by voters rather than by appointment by state legislatures. Calling what ensued a “campaign” might be an overstatement, however, because the candidates did not actively campaign on their own behalf. Rather, advocates of the candidates mobilized to spread the word and turn out their base of supporters. When the votes were tallied, Jackson received more than 150,000 votes, while Adams finished second with some 108,000. Clay and Crawford were a distant third and fourth, respectively, in the popular vote. Jackson received 99 electoral votes, winning outright in Alabama, Indiana, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee while taking some electoral votes in Illinois (3), Louisiana (3), Maryland (7), and New York (1). Adams captured 84 electoral votes, running strongly in particular in New England; he won all the electoral votes of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont, carried 26 of New York’s 36, and won a handful from Delaware (1), Illinois (1), Louisiana (2), and Maryland (3).

    With Crawford picking up 41 electoral votes and Clay 37, no candidate received a majority, however, and the House of Representatives would therefore choose among the top three leading candidates, as dictated by the Twelfth Amendment. Clay was thus eliminated from contention, but as speaker of the House he would play a large role in the ensuing election, in which each state would cast only one vote. Crawford’s illness precluded him from being a major factor, so the presidency was largely a battle between Adams and Jackson.

    Jackson staked his claim to the presidency by arguing that he had led both the popular and electoral vote tallies. But, while Jackson largely stayed out of negotiations with members of Congress, Adams actively sought their votes and even had a private meeting with Clay. In the event, on Feb. 9, 1825, Adams was elected president by the House of Representatives on the first ballot, winning 13 states to Jackson’s 7 and Crawford’s 4. Kentucky’s delegation, which had received direction from the state legislature to vote for Jackson, instead plumped for Adams, being swayed (as were some members in some other delegations) by Clay.

    Folks, I have seen the caterwauling happen since 2000. Nobody, no poster, has persuaded a forum, much less the public, to simply stop this and go to a popular vote system. The enemies of the present system have not prevailed.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1824
     
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    I wouldn't sweat it. I expect Trump to take the popular vote in 2020. They guy may be an ******* on twitter, but he is really doing ONE HELL of a job as President, and that's what The American People care about.

    Dems took only 20 States last time, that could dwindle to 15.

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    Look at the insanity Dems are running on, 15 states may be optimistic.
     
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  4. Robert

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    Why are they bawling again?

    Trump has only vetoed one resolution. it is not as if he has been regularly turning down the congress.

    How many times did Obama crap all over the people? How often did he tell their representatives to go get a BJ at the local massage parlor?

    12 vetoes

    President Barack Obama (D) issued 12 vetoes during his presidency. One of his vetoes was overridden by Congress. Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution of the United States gives the president of the United States the ability to veto a bill passed by Congress.
    Barack Obama: Vetoed legislation - Ballotpedia

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    That looks like the public voted for Trump to me.
     
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    Were hillary voters all American citizens?

    California where most of the over votes came from is infested with non citizens and illegal aliens
     
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    California, my own state, refused to investigate this smarmy intrusion by illegal aliens. Russia they fear. Mexico they embrace.

    Trump tried to get CA to investigate. But Democrats killed that.
     
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    Hey he once said ex-presidents can still veto budgets
     
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    Very true. They do already have that power, compact or no compact. There's nothing in the constitution that states a state has to award their electoral votes per the popular vote result. A state doesn't even have to have a popular vote. The state legislature could meet and award their states electoral votes as they, the state legislature deem or want. This was done in quite a few states prior to the civil war. Only after the civil war did every state hold a popular vote. Even so it isn't binding, that is why we have rouge electors.

    The Pennsylvania state legislature debated the congressional district method a few years ago like Nebraska and Maine do today. But Pennsylvania finally decided against it as their legislature though not having a winner take all would dilute their states power in choosing the president. That no candidate would want to visit Pennsylvania anymore as each candidate would have to visit each congressional district to try to get that CD's one electoral vote. The candidates would bypass Pennsylvania for electoral rich states as Florida, New York, Texas, Illinois, California and the like where a visit could help secure 20 or more electoral votes instead of just one.
     
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    Democrats dont have go investigate

    The know how much cheating goes on
     
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    The issue was "the possibility of Russian interference in the election".
     
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    Oh, you have good evidence that we meddle in theirs? Show it.
     
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    Wow. One state interfering in another state's operations. You don't say? Aren't states awesome?
     
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    Oh yeah? Nothing to do with the candidate they're attached to?

    You are all being ridiculous, and you know it.
     
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    OH YOU'VE GOT ME THERE.

    Yeah, no **** dude. I'm explaining two facts: First, they didn't necessarily want Trump to win. Second, I'm contesting that their interference on his behalf, even if it were the deciding factor, implies that he's a Russian puppet. Even more ridiculous the claim that Russia is going to "dominate" the United States.

    It doesn't matter to me, honestly. I think Trump is a blip on the radar.
     
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    I wouldn't have expected anything different from a member of the Trump cult. The really horrible part is that you seriously don't see anything wrong with the POTUS caring only about the needs of one third of the population.
     
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    The job of the chief executive is not to care. The job of the chief executive is to execute the legislation enacted by the legislature.
     
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    I never inferred that it did. You replied to me with a post that had nothing to do with what I had posted. I asked what the relevance was.
     
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    i can vote for the Republican slate, the Democrat slate, the Libertarian slate any of the slates or the electors individually and mix them up.
     
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    And have they been convicted?
     
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    He works for ALL U.S. citizens. He is supposed to represent everyone, not just those who kiss his ass.
     
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    Radio Free Europe..............Hillary meddled in Putin's election..............you're denying any knowledge of just these? You don't think our intelligence aligns with opposition political groups and gives them undercover aid and support? REALLY

    Here from the NYT

    Russia Isn’t the Only One Meddling in Elections. We Do It, Too.

    CreditAdam Maida

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/...y-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html
    Or WaPo

    The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...h-elections-elsewhere/?utm_term=.4590e7ecd062

    And one for the pot

    Ex-CIA operative says US has long meddled in elections, but it’s OK since they are ‘good cops’
    https://www.rt.com/usa/419124-us-meddles-elections-cia-moral-right/
     
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    Ridiculous? You wouldn't know without a thorough investigation made public, right? Right.

    Egad. No one needs to add anything to that. You "came out". wow.
     
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    Of course I would, and do.

    I know I know. To not care about Trump, the cardinal sin of our age.
     
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    Again, Trump received 46% of all votes. Hillary only got 48%. If Trump only has a third of the nation's support, Hillary Clinton can't have much more.
     

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