Popular vote is just a way to steal every election for theDemocrats.

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense. The issues that face our country are not local to the states. The economy, the environment, healthcare, education, racism, inequality, welfare, immigration, terrorism, gun mayhem, corruption, etc., etc., etc., affect us all.
    Perhaps it is the projection of selfish right-wingers, who believe that you're on your own, that makes them fret about being neglected and thrown under the bus, but we believe that we're in this together and we will look out for the least among us.
    After all, it's what Jesus wants.
     
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    This is a representative republic, not a democracy. We use the electoral college as specified by the constitution. Using the popular vote would be illegal and unconstitutional.
     
  3. kriman

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    Sure they are. A rural corn and wheat farmer in Nebraska ha a completely different interest than a someone who lives in downtown LA.
     
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    Perhaps the Left Coast and the Northeast could kick the flyover states out of the union.
     
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    Considering there were only a few events at small states, campaigning in even less, isn’t saying much.

    I think you’re oversimplifying things, but I’m curious...what are the three big states you are referring to?
     
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    New York, California and Florida. Not all the biggest, but they stand a pretty good chance of swinging an election.
     
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    And yet has many similar interests as someone who lives in downtown LA. Taxes, economy, education system, illegal immigration, etc affects everyone regardless of where they live.
     
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    Religion, guns and farm versus urban makes a big difference.
     
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    Funny...there was one events between CA and NY last election and 71 in FL.
    Anyway, still need to appeal to and win lots of other votes even if one does get a majority of votes in those states. And that’s assuming the candidate gets a majority in all three which no candidate got in last election.
     
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    You don't think Iowa was hard fought in 2016?
     
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    No one in LA is religious or cares about guns???
     
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    I rather doubt it.

    And I would certainly not say that.

    What I would say, however, is that it is much more likely that the Republican candidate will lose the popular vote, yet win the electoral vote, than it is that the opposite might happen. (Check out both the elections of 2000 and 2016--two of the latest three elections that were won by the Republican candidate--and then see just how recently the opposite has occurred.)

    Moreover, a popular-vote system almost entirely nullifies the votes from voters in those states that do not contain large population centers.

    Note: The electors in each state is equivalent to the number of senators plus the number of representatives in that state. And whereas the number of senators is always two--whether we are speaking of California or Wyoming--the number of representatives varies with the size of the state, according to the number of congressional districts (which the Supreme Court has set according to the principle of one-man-one-vote).

    Because the number of senators is two in each case, a state with 10 congresspeople may be 10 times the size of a state with only one--yet will have only four times the number of electors (12 to three)--and this gives the smaller states some real say in the election.

    In short, the Electoral College is a very good thing, I think.
     
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    Just a first guess. It would take a fair amount of analysis to decide where to campaign.
    Just less of an issue than in Nebraska.
     
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    Just pointing out the Democrats have had no problem winning BOTH the electors AND the popular votes in their wins.
    Ain't that difficult. Most Presidents do it.
     
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    Since we don't really follow the restrictions of the Constitution; and the 17th amendment removed one of the principles blocks intended to thwart democracy; and since the leadership of both of major parties is beholden not to the people, but rather a monied elite...

    Every impediment we remove that is designed to prevent the accumulation of power in single hands - moves us that much closer to tyranny.

    How the obvious escapes people is beyond me. You leftists haven't learned any lessons from history, none.
     
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    no doubt, republicans think 2nd place is good enough.... they want more then just a participation award for coming in second, they want to win for coming in second

    well most of the right anyways

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    of course they count. EVERY vote would count. that's the point. with the EC, not every vote counts.
     
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    Allowing fair elections and permitting people to vote is a bad idea.
     
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    Exactly. With current system a Repub vote doesn’t count in states like CA, NY, MA to name a few. Just as a Dem vote doesn’t count in states like TX, GA, MO. I dunno...I'm thinking it would be nice for my vote to actually count in one of these presidential elections. So far, my vote has never counted, as I live in MA.
     
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    They are counted. They just wouldn't make any difference.
     
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    Since the presidential election of 1996 (in which Bill Clinton did just what you indicated), the Democrats have done it only twice: in 2008 and 2012.

    In any case, do you really wish to spend your time and effort barking at the moon? (A dog is just about as likely to abolish the moon, by barking at it, as Democrats are to pass a constitutional amendment--yes, a constitutional amendment--which would be necessary in order to abolish the Electoral College.)
     
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    Which means they don't count, which is what I said.
     
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    In 2016, Hillary Clinton received a rather large surplus of votes in states that she had won, anyway.

    Let us draw an analogy here:

    Suppose that the World Series is between Team X and Team Y.

    Team X wins three games, by the scores of 10-1, 8-2. and 7-3.

    Team Y wins four games, by the scores of 3-2, 4-3, 5-3, and 6-4.

    In that case, Team X will have outscored Team Y, 37-24.

    Does this mean that Team X has won the World Series?

    Or even that the rules should be changed, so that a future team performing like Team X would be declared the winner, under those circumstances?

    I surely do not think so...
     
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    So you are saying actual Americans don’t live in those areas ? You want the majority areas to matter more ?
     
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