Colorado Joins 11 States Agreeing to Shift to Popular Vote System

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  1. Concord

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    Except for greater military cooperation with Poland, opposition to Nordstream 2, the abandonment of missile treaties, and more willingness to work with Turkey.

    The claim made earlier was that the Russians dominated our politics because a supposed Russian puppet chose three Supreme Court justices and controlled our Senate. The implication is that these institutions are compromised because Trump is compromised.
     
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    Illegals are to not cross our border, illegals are not to traffic in humans, they are also not legally able to bring in drugs.

    Illegals break CA law and my state does not lift a finger to prevent it.
     
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    I explain to the forum Democrats a lot that to be a puppet of Putin, one would naturally yank out our troops now on their border. We do not put troops on the border of the Trump pals. Trump has armor on the Polish border.
     
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    you are again addressing an argument I did not make. stop it.
     
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    Look, first things first. 13 states created the constitution. Those 13 states were never equals in population. They solved it with the present system. We must have each state treated as near equal as possible. Not the popular vote. That only exists as a legal entity in each state. States are not a collective. Each state has it's particular weight.

    Why must we do this same dog and pony show when Democrats lose the office of the president?

    This is rinse and repeat of when Bush was elected.

    Frankly the best cure is to only count the vote of the Senators representatives. Turn the EC into a vote per Senator. Trump won 30 states, Hillary copped 20 of them. She clearly lost. And big.
     
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    illegals are not able to vote in federal elections
     
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    The old Rahl trick that so often has the admin watching his posts.
     
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    not sure why you think pointing out you are creating strawmen is a trick, lol.
     
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    Yes, and I fundamentally disagree.
     
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    None of the libs posting here admit their true colors
     
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    Correction: non citizens are not supposed to vote
     
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    Yes we did elect trump and we continue to support him

    A fact that the rabid anti trumpsters cant come to grips with
     
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    Trump: 304, Clinton: 227.

    304 > 227
     
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    I don't think there are 38 states that will agree that it would be such a good start.
     
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    Lol, the constitution is un-American. That's rich!
     
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    Stop accusing me. I am not even a person you need to keep replying to.
     
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    That attack left me wondering why he thinks the constitution is not constitutional too. I even showed him that as far back as 1824, this has happened.

    Some bozos want the people to pick presidents. He was never put on the job as our personal representative at all. His job is to work with states and the Fed congress and do the business of the states first, and second what is left over for the Feds.

    We have 50 states for a fundamental reason they represent us better. When the Feds get involved, normally they screw things up.

    Take driving over my state speed limit. What the hell does that have to do with the Feds? Nixon made it his business. And he did wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
     
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    His system has my state CA adding our votes to votes in New Hampshire, CT and hell the rest and that decides who is president. This essentially dissolves state borders and makes it all one crapshoot. Founders never wanted a few huge states to pick a president. That would be un american.
     
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    I have posted what CA has us use to register to vote. Were illetgals able to obey laws, of course they would not register. Why do we have cops? To take into custody law breakers.

    So how does CA handle the illegal aliens. We have provided them safe harbor laws. They openly refuse to obey law and then get a form to register to vote. And of course they can't understand how our laws work, or I accuse them of breaking our laws on purpose, so of course we can be 100 percent sure they refuse to vote.

    My state refuses to chase the illegals. We in this state treat them with the same reverence we treat other states citizens and in my view, my own state takes a crap on we citizens since we are told to never break laws. But we can solve this.

    We can treat the illegals as we treat our lawyers, our Realtors, our Appraisers and our Lenders and lord knows who else, but those must supply to the state of CA a certified copy of their Birth Certificate. Along with that, the FBI investigates first and if we pass, we get our licenses,

    Why crap on us and leave out the illegal aliens? Ca is a lousy state for letting illegals do illegal things.

    Trump tried to get CA to work with him on this and Brown told Trump hell no. He defied Trump.

    Now if the voting system did not allow governors to have that kind of authority, by telling states go screw off, the system would be broken and all states would then be expected to toe the Federal bosses line by forcing citizens of TX votes to be counted with CA votes. States never will accept this system and of course the present system is american.
     
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    I would urge Concord to not worry one moment when he is not agreed with.

    We have a mixture of some who really understand the constitution with some who assume they know it and some who talk talk talk but clearly demonstrate they do not get it at all.

    Then we have those who want to revise the system so they and they with a tiny group will have it their way, despite what the rest of us want.
     
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    As to the popular vote, a huge problem are the non voters.

    According to the United States Election Project, nearly half of eligible voters (46.9percent of approximately 231,556,622 people) did not vote in the 2016 election.Nov 10, 2016
    Almost Half of Eligible Voters Didn't Vote in This Election - Cosmopolitan

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/.../almost-half-eligible-voters-did-not-vote-election-2016...


    Those pleading for the national election to include them, but leave us out, in effect anyway, completely discount why millions refuse to vote. When you have refusing to vote 108 million people, I want to hear from those too.

    On this forum, I believe all citizens and the illegals living here (who wanted to vote) did vote.
     
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    A tiny group consisting of all American voters. Most of us understand the US Constitution and why the EC was instituted 250+ years ago in completely different circumstances. Many of us feel that it no longer suits its purpose and that our national election process should be revised so that all votes should be counted the same. Back in 1865 we revised our constitution to allow non whites to vote. The conservatives of the day were against that. In 1915 we let women vote and again the conservatives went nuts. Progressives like Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were for these changes. Progressives will lead the way in this fight for voter equity and the conservatives will once again be led into the future kicking, screaming and dragging their knuckles. It is the natural progression of this great country.
     
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    I understand that victimization is like a paramount concept of the liberal left. Only in liberal la la land can you continually assault other peoples perspectives, desires, and liberty and then cry victim when they fight back.

    There is no anger. Confrontation only exists in that some people deem to fundamentally change this country by attacking my individual liberty. If in fact this is the route desired, expect repercussions. I will not sit idly by while you force your agenda on me while simultaneously removing my ability to oppose. You don't get to provoke people, and then claim foul when they fight back.

    Defending our rights and our constitution is not treason. The problem is, liberals believe that their perspectives and agendas are superior, and are willing to force them on those that don't agree. If anybody baulks, they are treasonous? Really?
     
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    As civics continues to not be taught in the schools more and more bad liberal ideas take root
     
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    One of the reasons many people don’t vote is because in most states their vote won’t matter a bit in most presidential elections. They are fed up with this ridiculous way that Presidents are elected. Make every vote count one for one and I predict that more people will get off their asses and vote.
     

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