"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. Prunepicker

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    I did answer the question. Efficiency is irrelevant to this discussion. It's just a red
    herring you're grasping to because you're ideal has crashed and you'd rather have
    a red herring about efficiency that a discussion about how your ideal failed.

    What do you want an efficient healthcare system that's destined for failure. It 'will
    fail. It always does.

    Read the story. It's what you want.
    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com...WN1ktS76AX0K4ZICj_c3ueA7K7AWZipmlUjffd7-BrtdE
     
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    and now you show that you don't know what a red herring is, lol. I've shown you single payer systems are superior to ours.
    I don't run from anything. I'm right here, completely demolishing your silly claims.
    proven false. We aren't even in the top 20, let alone best in the world, lol
     
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    No, it doesn't fail. I suggest reading your own citation, particularly this part.........................
     
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    Actually....... taking a serious look at what was accomplished by President Lincoln will set anybody up to begin to understand that in theory....... it certainly can be done............ but your Washington Swamp works too much like our Canadian Ottawa Swamp for it to receive widespread acceptance by politicians.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ashington-swamp-from-the-ottawa-swamp.551407/

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    The govt is not in the healthcare business, only for veterans and clinics where private hospitals refuse to go. They are in the health insurance business. So, let’s do away with Medicare and replace it with what ?
     
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    Wrong. We already pay a higher percent if gdp and more per capita then anyother country.
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    Where’s your evidence ?

    Do you understand that the vast majority of our hospitals and providers are private business already.
     
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    [QUOTE="rahl, post: 1070377699, member: 47629"
    ]But the systems don't fail. And we aren't even in the top 20 in terms of quality
    healthcare, as I've repeatedly proven to you.[/QUOTE]
    First of all you've not proven anything. Period. The ONLY reason the USA
    isn't in the top 20 with hard lined Collectivists is because it isn't free. That's the
    only reason and you have nothing to show otherwise.

    Finland's system failed. The economy collapsed because of it's universal
    healthcare. I know this is hard for you to accept but it's the absolute truth.
    Sweden is next unless they cut taxes and wean their people off the government.
    The Netherlands have closed 20% of their hospitals because they can't afford
    to keep them open. Greece, remember Greece, totally failed because of
    universal healthcare.

    Socialized medicine is destined to fail.
     
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    Yes, do away with Medicare AND Medicaid and replace it with NOTHING.
    We don't need it. Never have and never will.

    You're still dodging the fact that Finland's economy failed because of their
    universal healthcare system.
     
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    Still dodging the fact that Finland's economy failed because of their
    universal healthcare system. Where's the efficiency with a failed system?
    Man up and face the facts.
     
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    I see you've refused to read the articles I've put up.
    Here you go. Enjoy.
    https://freebeacon.com/politics/fin...-due-to-rising-cost-of-universal-health-care/

    Here's the first paragraph since it's doubtful you'll read the article and risk being
    informed.
    The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal
    health care and the prime minister's failure to enact reforms to the system.​
     
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    Here's another
    https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/art...ernment-resigns-after-healthcare-reform-fails

    How about a whole lot of links for you to enjoy.
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=finland+crashes+healthcare&t=ffnt&atb=v133-5__&ia=web
     
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    you of course know that I have.
    nope. We aren't even in the top 20, because we pay WAY more than every other first world nation, and our system provides worse outcomes.
    no it didn't.
    it is a demonstrable falsehood.
    socialized medicine is proven superior to our system in both cost, and quality of care.
     
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    Ha ha...
    The free beacon ( a joke) is a conservative rag. Get with a real news source.
     
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    Republicans cut social program spending every time they win the presidency. They also have 9 of the last 10 recessions.
    Cutting social programs weakens an economy. The reason is simple. Service expenses are then paid to “for profits” which cost more and weaken the middle class spending power. It happened nearly every time conservatives are in power. Republicans stink on the economy......ALWAYS have.
     
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    When does the country start talking about true Preventative Care and abolishing Poisons from being dressed up as "Food" and shipped to grocery stores across the country, only to cause chemical addictions in the brain that lead to autoimmune dysfunction in the body some 30-40 years down the road in an individuals life. When do we stop dancing with wolves and swimming with sharks long enough to get real about true Health Science in America, instead of throwing money away at Health Care that contains little to no genuine "care" for an individuals long term "health." When do we do that? Health Care. What is that - some kind of oxymoronic sick joke?

    Is Oxymoronic a real word? If not, does anybody have a problem if I just go ahead and coin it now. I like the way it sounds. It should be a real word. I'm not sure, though.

    We boot Cancer Cures out of the country and then label those who created such cures as Quacks. The AMA then chases individuals around our court systems and pushes them into bankruptcy or near bankruptcy trying to defend their cures and their good reputations as people who innovate real Health Treatment. The FDA along with Pharma know full well of the toxic effects of most on the shelf concoctions allowed to be identified as "Food," yet the Federal Government does little to nothing to prevent it and in fact, promotes toxic "Foods" on our grocery store shelves.

    When do we begin teaching people to shop on the perimeter of their grocery stores and to stay away from the isles and center sections where most of the ATP defeating "Drugs" (made to look like real "Foods") are found. When do we teach people about how their own Krebs Cycle is being hammered by these "Fake Foods." Processed and highly refined sugars (man made dope) is literally a poison that neither the AMA nor FDA will call out for what it is - or its negative affects on the body's internal chemistry, namely the increase creation of Insulin. We all know where Insulin Resistance comes from in most cases where genetic predisposition is not at issue.

    Bottom line - nobody seems to care that our "Food" supply is literally being poisoned. Yet, everybody seems over the top concerned about... wait for it... here it comes.... Health Care. What a Oxymoronic world we live in today. So, yeah - let's yell about which political party wants to spend into even more oblivion over an Oxymoronic thing that does not actually exist, Health Care.

    We don't have very much Health Care in this country. We have Reactionary Care and Legalized Doping in this country. But, hey - let's talk politics!
     
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    Good post.
    Our food system is profit driven. Keeping food refrigerated is expensive, adding preservatives is cheap.
    Naturally nutritious foods will spoil quickly. A Mac Donald’s French fry can spend a week on the counter top, be reheated, and consumed. Do that to a raw potato. It ruts quickly without refrigeration. The biggest preventable expense in healthcare is diabetes related illnesses, all exacerbated by additives.
    But, let’s let capitalism make money by feeding us poison then over charge us for keeping us alive on the other end. No thanks. We need a non profit based food and healthcare system. Health agencies are fundamentally sound ideas, but they are managed by politicians that need donations from corporations. Just get “easy” money out of politics. It will do wonders
     
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    What government run single payers systems would those be?
     
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    That you even typed this informed me that you're not going to be able to derive logical comment. Enjoy the rant!
     
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