Delusions in a Godless Universe

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Not sure about your protest.. it seemed pretty clear to me.

So 'at that time', our extinction won't matter, but it somehow does, now? How do a few years improve significance, in an insignificant universe?

So you dispute that 'nothing matters!', and therefore believe that 'something matters!'.. ..what could possibly 'matter!', in a godless universe? Now, or 10 billion yrs from now? How does time make us more (or less) significant?

 

Dunno about general acceptance, but that is hopelessly confused. Your soul isn't "part" of you, it is you - your body being to your soul as your car is to your body, and your intellect being to your soul as your computer is to you. Just who do you think does the knowing, if not the soul?

No, that's a faculty employed by the soul, just as the physical senses are employed by the brain.

You think animals don't have consciousness?

 

"You think animals don't have consciousness?"

I never gave it any thought before now.

No, I don't think that animals don't have consciousness.

 

You should read up on einstiens religious beliefs. Clearly.

 

Forgive me. I thought I was being clear. I meant that when it happens, it won't matter to anyone after we're all vaporized or whatever.

And now that you mention it, yes, it does matter to humanity today. We think we're "what it's all about". We think we're very, very important. Hence, we have lots of talk about colonizing other planets and such. My point is that we are not so important as we may think. And it sounds like we agree, actually.

 

Swell, thanks for nothing. Here's something you should read, from your own link:

The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. ​

 

You don’t need god to have good morals. Just treat others as you want to be treated - sounds religious, but this wisdom wasn’t invented by religion - rather picked up common knowledge.

As for the rest - you are perfectly OK with not existing for the first 13 billion years this universe existed. Why is it so hard to believe that once you die you’ll get back to that eternal oblivion from which we already came from, plain and simple. You are not special, there are billions of other humans that have ever lived or are living now + billions that will live. No one is watching and judging you except for fellow humans that live in your community.

 

Get real, you wouldn't know good from bad without God...

...and what's more, without Him, you don't even know who you are, in which case the Golden Rule ends up meaning I'll tell you sweet little lies if you'll return the favor.

Since that's not where human beings came from, it's a stupid question.

 

I have to evaluate my participation in this forum. I don't mind the constant ad hom, the fallacies, and false accusations. But when the mods begin deleting my posts, based on accusations from the antifa hecklers, i have to question my time use. I have no desire to censor myself, so as not to trigger irrational ideologues, but when the forum moderators censor me, it crosses the line. I don't expect preferential treatment, but i can't abide censorship.

It is a tragic symptom of the death of reason, when distortions and false accusations replace due process and facing your accuser.

I've boycotted the forum many times in the past, and have avoided the hot button triggers of evolution and science. But that is not enough. Every topic that has progressive sanction cannot be examined, without hordes of antifa hecklers disrupting, so the mods delete my 'trigger!' posts to placate them.

Maybe I'll drop in, from time to time, but I'll probably just fade away, like Truth and Reason in our culture. Delete this post, too. Delete all of them. I don't care.

 

Rational people don’t need god to understand to follow laws and treat each other with respect.

If the only thing that would prevent you from lying, cheating, stealing or killing is a myth of a Santa clause in the sky who is watching you than maybe you should seek help. You just proved that your morals exist only out of fear, not passion.

That’s exactly where we came from and that’s where we are going. Don’t remember anything before your birth? You know, it’s been 13 billion years. Once you die, eternity will pass and you won’t care because you won’t exist.

 

I suggest you examine the root of why you avoid evolution and science, then extrapolate into the rest of your postings. You are responsible for what you debate and if it is something you lack understanding in you will be called on it. That you slip into a strange persecution complex is entirely on you. That you now seem to be fishing for sympathy or hoping someone will defend you is actually rather sad and telling.

Fare thee well

 

Yes, you arbitrarily define your own words because the dictionary definitions hurt your arguments.

 

Funny how you rely on this gawd of yours to tell you what a good little boy you are, even when you participate in evil doings.

Then you actually practice what you claim to abhor, telling sweet little lies to promote yourself and expect the same in return.

Try selling your snake oil to those unable to think for themselves. Sell it to yourself.

 

if you just learned what ad hom means, you wouldn't be so confused. Your arguments are torn apart, and you hand waive away any evidence given and cry "ad hom". It's a very silly game you play and I don't know how you can get much enjoyment out of it.

 

I don't really see how a universe with a God in it matters more.

 

I think "soul" has been considered different than a person for a long time. At one time, the heart was considered to be the "house" for the soul - where the soul resided, like a little man in a machine. A person died when the soul left the body.

That came before science had figured out the circulatory system - a time when people thought a "soul" was something distinct, needing a place in the body and possibly weighing more than zero.

Today, soul gets used as a synonym for person sometimes. When there is an air emergency, the pilot will be asked to confirm the number of souls on board. One doesn't count pregnant women as more than one, regardless of what anyone thinks the age of ensoulment might be.

 

A rational examination is called science. Needless to say science does not support assertions 1-16.

 

if Trump was created in God's image... then yeppers..

reading the bible,God sounds like a narcissist with a fragile ego.... kinda like Trump, imagine Trump as God next time you read the bible

 

Or imagine God as a real narcissist, i.e., Obama.

 

Obama could play the NT God and Trump play the OT God

 

Well Trump does strongly support the OT concept of a "chosen people" -- so what you says makes sense.

 

Trump fits a lot of the evil crazy stuff God does in the OT

 

Maybe heaven is beyond the furthest reaches of the universe, has anyone thought about that? I mean, there'd be plenty of room for the goody-two-shoes who make it in, and those who don't are told to take the elevator to the basement.

 

In other words, you have no excuse and only dissemble when asked a serious question.

 

I did not write the bible, your blaming the wrong person... sad!