A False Dilemma, in Atheism

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  1. yabberefugee

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    Evidence for His existence is found in His Word where He describes in detail the fickle, fallen Nature of mankind with the Holiness of His own. No human author has ever done that other than with the aid of an outside resource. No motivation other than Holiness. The human condition is suspect of the motivation due to it's own fickle nature so we are blind to it short of a supernatural intervention. I'll call it the Holy Spirit!
     
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    you've been given the actual definitions of ad hom and delusion, and you continue to use them incorrectly. It's silly. Your OP has been shown to be a false dichotomy. You have no rebuttal to this, so you throw out "ad hom" having no clue what it means.
     
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    To be sure. You imagine, perhaps, that this contradicts anything I said?
    I confess to being mystified as to what you find so mysterious about such an obvious linkage.
     
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    You never read my posts! ..Just launched into your anti-christian tirades. But you never pecked my logic. Never. Therefore, it is 'impeccable!'
    :rock_slayer:
     
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    I agree, that the 'evidence' for the God of the Bible is overwhelming. But i am dealing with alleged materialists (and indoctrinees), here, and can only use human reasoning, and material facts. If any of the so called 'skeptics' were to honestly examine the actual evidence, they could not hold on to their prejudice, but would acknowledge the obvious. Alas, though, we are not dealing with rational human beings, but biased, indoctrinated, deceived, and agenda driven ideologues.

    In such situations i can only present the simple truth, and examine the full implications of belief, of the alternative. It is not appreciated, for some reason.. but Truth rarely is.

    I am intrigued, personally, about the thinking processes of humanity, and am a lifelong student of the bizarre psyche of man. Reason should carry more weight, in the lives of humans, but it does not. Servile prejudice and Indoctrination seem more significant in the human psyche than Reason.

    Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. ~Thomas Jefferson

    We are obviously no longer in an age of Reason, but have devolved to an age of mandated conformity.
     
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    I NEVER gave any anti-Christian tirades....so that makes you a l---.which is considered a sin by believers, correct?

    I asked questions which you couldn't /wouldn't answer .

    I asked what proof there is that there is a "god' and you gave none.

    I asked why there only has to be two options (god or no god) and you couldn't/wouldn't answer.


    Seems most posters did a darn good job of "pecking" apart your posts :)
     
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    This is circular reasoning and invalid.
     
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    You of course know perfectly well that there is no evidence what so ever of the existence of any god or deity. All you have is a book written 2,000 years ago, which stole most of its content from previous pagan religions.
     
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    "" Servile prejudice and Indoctrination seem more significant in the human psyche than Reason.""...and gives the world religion.
     
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    Sounds to me like the "Great Oz" has spoken.
     
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    You do realize there is a giant wall between your thinking which is a mechanical materialistic point of view and spirituality. It is not expected for you to understand

    Ad hom, delusion are way overused in your posts and do not convince anyone
     
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    non responsive
     
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    Yes.. and Atheism is one of the most dogmatic and intolerant of all the world's religions. Built through Indoctrination, sustained through constant propaganda, and phony caricatures of their main opposition, and clung to with mindless groupthink loyalty.

    Jefferson's quote is as applicable now, to progressive indoctrinees, as it ever was in the past.
     
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    you would have to prove spirituality actually existed in order to make this statement

    you seem very confused.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "" Servile prejudice and Indoctrination seem more significant in the human psyche than Reason.""...and gives the world religion.



    :) None of which refutes my post :)

    YOU seem very intolerant of atheists...
     
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    You do realize, after all you have been told enough times, that atheism is NOT a religion. We do not venerate any god or prophet. Knowing this, you still insist that it is a religion.

    Talk about phony, that would be all of your arguments as delusional as they are.
     
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    your religion has your thinking confined to a box.
    If you feel you are being attacked I am very sorry. You saying spirituality cannot be proven is just as much a personal attack as me saying that the space between your own two ears is not the beginning and end of everything that exists.
     
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    You need to see a doctor and get your sexuality issues sorted! So obvious now what your problem is!
     
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    Not at all.. i am amused at the hostility directed at lil' ol' me, at times, but i try to stick with Reason, and ignore the hostility, most of the time. Some times i pick up the ad hom grenades thrown at me, pull the pins, and throw them back... ;)
    Of course it is a religion.. a worldview, philosophy, or whatever you want to call it. It is an OPINION about man, God, and the nature of the universe. There are implications about morality, love, beauty, the Soul, and other things of importance to humanity.

    Add to that, the jihadist zeal that many militant internet atheists have, their intolerance for other's beliefs, and the extreme dogmatism with which they assert their beliefs, and the religion of atheism is impossible to ignore.
    I try to analyze the problem, (and i hesitate using a word with 'anal' in it! ;)), and the obsession with my posts, and the irrational fixation that some of these guys have on me, and it is hard (another trigger word!), to ignore the possibility of homoerotic fixation.

    Post after post of mean, insulting, humorless venom thrown at me, with only my simple reasoning to provoke it? Not possible. Nobody could be that bigoted and shallow. It seems more likely to be some latent sadomasochistic fantasies, looking for an outlet, and my willingness to engage (!) them in conversation likely sends the wrong message. They probably think i welcome their sadistic fantasies, else why would i put up with the vile streams of animosity? I must be a masochist, they conclude, and they work themselves up in a frenzy of sadistic passion.
    ..;)
     
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    You have not demonstrated why that is flawed reasoning!
     
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    Physics has advance a bit since Newton. Catch up!
     
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    That isn't exactly new. Disbelieve and you don't get to heaven. Believe and no matter how corrupt and evil you are god loves you.
     
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    Of course i have.. repeatedly. Is this your idea of a rebuttal?
     
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    Can't rebut what hasn't been proven. You have not demonstrated any reason why no evidence for god should somehow miraculously not mean that god doesn't exist. But feel free to try and show how no evidence leads to a logical conclusion that god exists.

    Or just admit the same old nonsense that because no logic can prove god doesn't exist that somehow god does exist.

    But I am curious as to what you think the symbol > actually mans in you formulas.
     
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