How (& When) Will White Liberals Wake Up?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-08/how-when-will-white-liberals-wake

Pretty interesting article, gives one plenty to consider, especially the author's opinions about how things may play out in the future. The fact that such an article exists in the first place is quite interesting, and telling I may add.

In my own opinion, I believe white progressives, by their nature (and to be sure, in some cases with a fair serving of nuture via media/academia), are prone to being ethno-masochistic, pathologically alturistic, oikophobic, xenophilic, self loathing, easily subverted and gullible.

Yeah, yeah, I know... there's much stereotyping to be made of conservatives as well. Do so if you wish, provided you remain within the realm of the topic.

I truely believe most everyone who has strong political beliefs comes about those beliefs naturally, deeply organic in the psychological sense... provided those views are long standing and withstand the test of being challenged. To me, the white progressive is one of the most curious and interesting political creatures.

 

You are assuming someone is born as either liberal or conservative, as if it's inherent and they have no choice.

They aren't and they do.

Most of it comes from their experience <Rule 2/3>

<Rule 3>

 

They never will. They are entrenched in the racist beliefs that anyone other than white men can't make it in America till white men are out of power and out of money, or just killed off. Even then, they will still claim white men sabotaged the future when everything falls apart and there are no more white men to blame directly. Just like they blame white men for the failing economies of all the places where there is no white men in charge like Jamaica, Puerto Rico, South Africa, and South America and Africa.

 

Let's use Adam Smith and his Moral Sentiments. There are two often competing systems that dictate our behaviour: an egoistic motive and a socially approved motive. A Liberal strives for balance; a Conservative let's egoism run amok (which is why conservatism increases with age as an individual builds up their capital)

 

You REALLY would not like the science on it, it is NOT flattering so far as the makeup of a conservative in at least one major way. MUCH bigger fear center in the brain, and it IS born in, not made by experience. There are advantages and disadvantages in both types, Conservatives ususally happier and more organzied. Libs are braver and more creative in their thinking, more likely to take risk. Conservatives not concerened about equality/fairness, liberals the opposite.. We need both, and for both to work together (as a society), and it's general trend stuff, but yeah, what your observations are and what people found who study it, QUITE different. But then I know, science is "fake news" right?

 

A liberal may STRIVE, but is often too passionat/complex to get anywhere approacing balance's zip code dude!

Amd yeah BOT sides do that, but conservatives idealize a past that never was,a nd I guess it kinda is like you describe, but I think it's not so much egoism as fear and inflexibility.

 

I don't totally disagree. Google "political ideology and genetics". There's a lot of good reads suggesting that ideology is probably more attributable to "nature" as opposed to "nurture".

 

As ideology relates to personality traits... well it's a bit fuzzy, not quite black and white. For example, as the article points out in a way, it's not exactly popular or "acceptable" to have an opinion which is contrary to the progressive social narrative, it takes a bit of courage to publicly oppose such things, as there's consequences. I wouldn't totally agree either that conservatives care less about fairness, I think we're more skeptical about intentions and end results. I remember the meme "conservatives are scared of change" was once quite popular, not sure what happened to it, anyhow... I'd say this is also inaccurate. Conservatives fear change which they perceive as having a negative affect, not merely change in and of itself.

 

Certainly both fear and false nostalgia can be corrupting. But we can't discount Smith's approach. Age effects are consistent with it. Also we know that countries which have embraced neoliberalism, such as the Anglo-Saxon economies, have since tended to become more conservative. Being fed 'greed is good' narrative from day 1 allows for egoism to grow like the alien in the little shop of horrors.

 

Being white and voting for is like being Jewish and voting for Nazis.

White people who support are no different then Jews who helped the nazis.

 

You made a fair point.

 

No he didn't and neither have you, likely ever. Go BUY yourself a clue?

 

I think we should stop calling it guilt. I think we should just label it as stupid, self destructive, socially unredeemable.. there are a lot of choices actually. But, all of them end up expressing the real problem. Folks who cannot for whatever reason find happiness or fulfillment unless they are destroying everything around them while lying to themselves calling it progress. Somehow, the lives of unending lack of struggle is to blame. Of course, being progressive put us here in the first place having so "reasonably" tried to exclude every possible risk or harm to "shelter" folks from... And the result? And entire generation of folks who haven't ever had to struggle for anything, who now find themselves unable to find contentment in their risk free lives. No excitement. They are products of the culture that said "we are advanced enough to eliminate all harms to all folks, remove personal responsibility to transfer it to government to protect us, and this is what we are left with. Dissatisfaction. The inability to find any personal fulfillment. Why? Because there is no struggle to overcome.

So, we start inventing struggles. We imagine them instead. We adopt them readily because there aren't enough of them in our personal lives for us not to yearn for imaginary ones provided to us. And that's where we find ourselves today. The massive blah that comes from idleness.

 

This whole, people become more conservative as they age argument does not hold up under scrutiny. From my perspective, I would have to lose intelligence to become more conservative. You don't see college professors becoming more conservative over time.

Then when you figure in, that the built in fears and whatnot, the belief system and all, that is so characteristic of conservatives, is not a transformative process. My old friend Norm Chomsky is 90 years old and just as politically liberal as ever.

Personally, I am in my 60's and I have not become more politically conservative over time
In fact the older I get, the more I see, hear, and read, the more conservatism and its ideas become disgusting, to me.

In fact, I find most conservative posters, on this and other forums, to be less than honorable. I find people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Donald Trump to be some of the most dishonorable people in the history of humanity.

Why would I ever more toward conservatism? The science hating ignorance is not at all desirable.

 

Guilt-ridden white liberals are beyond salvaging

They are lost forever

 

There are certainly multiple factors at play. I've become more left wing as I've aged, reflecting a deeper understanding of economics (and of course the ridiculous naivety of free market economics). However, if you run a voting intention empirical model and isolate age effects, then there will be a significant relationship with conservatism. It's easy, for example, to play "minimise my tax bill" criteria. We don't all do that, thankfully, but there is a positive relationship.

Take Britain. That's operated under right wing regimes since 1979. If only 18-25 voters counted it has been shown that it would instead be a social democratic country.

 

White liberals won't wake up until they are in the same dire situation as the whites in South Africa. Too little, too late.

 

Those good old days of apartheid?

 

Great post, thank you.

 

I wouldn't say that it's entirely genetic, but the demographics are hard to ignore. Urban areas are filled with democrats and rural areas are filled with republicans. When those migrants from the third world enter the country, they all flock to the cities.

If it's not genetic, why do lefties end up living cheek to jowl in the cities?

 

Employment.

In the past the immigrants had skills and they would set up shop in rural areas and apply their tradeskills and make society better. When the industrial revolution happened we saw an influx of immigrants that had no skills so they moved to the cities where the factories and jobs were.

This led to an increase in crime, poverty, and all sorts of bad things and it continues to this day.

The wealthy live there because that is where their factories are so when you look at a map and see all the wealth concentrated in major cities it's not because the people are doing well, they aren't as represented by the homeless numbers, it's because that is where the wealthy control their empires from.

 

This study was published some years ago and sheds light on how people see the world.

 

I used to find some things to like and hate about conservativism and liberalism, but stuff like this makes it hard to keep considering them on equal footing. This is conservativism going completely off the rails.

Pathological, irrational panic is not a political platform. It is a diagnosis.

Conservativism needs to go back to having something to offer beyond "red pill" cowardice. Maybe once the snowflake princess is no longer in office.

 

I grew up on a farm. I, like most liberal minded people who grew up on farms, moved to town, because that is where the centers of innovation are. Driving tractors and tending to animals has its charms, but it just doesn't stack up to riding the leading edge of technology. Not to mention the culture of cities, that just isn't feasible in rural areas.