9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    The only thing "cringe worthy" is the above unsupported and silly non sequitur.

    What's interesting is the anticipated sequence of events described by the attorneys in the video (which is in fact just a recorded interview). Accordingly, the FBI/DOJ can file a Motion to Dismiss within 60 days from the filing of the Complaint IF they're able to discover a legal technicality that can be used as a basis to do so. The Lawyers' Committee are confident they can overcome any Motion to Dismiss. Alternatively (or upon failure to dismiss), they have the option of filing a defense accepting or denying each and every allegation line by line in the Complaint. As stated, this would be quite interesting because the Complaint is based on the FBI's own documents. So the FBI has very little leg to stand on. ALL the counts in the Complaint are issues that the FBI is WELL AWARE OF yet failed to investigate and/or bring to the attention of Congress as mandated by law. This step will likely be followed by a Motion for Summary Judgment filed by the Lawyers' Committee that can potentially result in a trial. And a trial would certainly open up a huge can of worms because there will be a discovery phase. As also stated, one of the objectives of this action is to bring PUBLIC AWARENESS of the many issues never made public by the US government and its puppet MSM. To date, the MSM remains silent on this legal action as well as the grand jury action and even suppressed by Courthouse News (see post #204 above).
     
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    Bob, at this time I pretty much expect you to post zero evidence for the point in question, so I’m not disappointed, that question - “was the core steel framed or was it a concrete tube?”

    My evidence has all been online for years,

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

    The truth tends to explain things.
     
  3. Bob0627

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    Once again you are off topic. None of the above has anything to do with the topic of this thread. I'm under no obligation to post anything just because you demand it, much less that it's up to me to support YOUR personal theory about the core that no one on this planet agrees with.
     
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    dramatic music doesn't add to the lack of facts ... yet the troofers still use it with the obligatory donate button ...

    2 bit lawyers ...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Can you explain, or would you prefer to deny, the residue found by US Geological, residue of nuclear reaction?

    Would you care to explain or deny the source of energy for the lateral displacement of massive structural pieces?
     
  6. Bob0627

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    2 bit lawyers don't work mostly pro bono and file lawsuits vs the FBI and the DOJ. They have zero to gain financially and are risking quite a bit.
     
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    Interesting.

    Do you believe it was nukes that brought the towers down then? If so, do you think the lawyers are frauds because they don't provide this "nuclear radiation residue" evidence in the documents that they filed nor do they think that nukes were used, but instead push the conventional demolition using explosives side of things?
     
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    This coming from the guy who tried to use a photo of the new tower core construction as a photo representing the supposed concrete core of the old tower. Your concrete core baloney has been thoroughly crushed. It has been shown that what you believe existed could not have physically existed. It was impossible. How many mistakes have been shown to you regarding what you thought was supporting evidence?
     
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    [​IMG] Got pictures FROM 9/11 of the supposed steel framed core?

    I see a piece of a concrete wall falling into the core 400 feet off the ground.

    http://algoxy.com/conc/images/core_animation_75.gif

    But no steel framed structure is seen.

    There are people posting here that supportmass murder and treason. Lurkers, demand accountability.
     
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    Speaking of supporting mass murder and treason, more info never published by the MSM rags. 9/11 being suppressed in plain sight. Bob McIlvaine agrees. I can only imagine how the courts and judges are going to deal with these legal actions.

     
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    Lurkers, demand that competent information regarding a deception about the core structure of the Twins be presented to the grand jury. Sign the petition.

    https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/g...IANOnCm6G4YPwKkJXw8ukp7iRfitjzGKW5YDtyfB7kf1I

    What AE is presenting is not competent and designed to give the grand jury a way to deny any responsibility or obligation.

    My first communication with David Cole of the lawyers committee had exactly the same response as agents protecting the perpetrators by asking for all the evidence guilani illegally took from the NYC dept. of buildings on 12/24/01.
    DESPITE THE FACT THAT COLE HAD ALREADY BEEN GIVEN THE LINK TO THE NYCLU LETTER WHICH EXPLAINS WHY NOBODY HAS WHAT HE ASKED FOR. No one has ever produced a photo of the supposed steel framed structural core in the core area on 9/11.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/guiliani.wtc.documents.html
     
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    This is really off topic because the discussion is about the legal initiative and not about reaching conclusions about the evidence nor does it change the allegations filed by the grand jury petitioners and/or the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. You should really have started a separate topic for your theory. But I will ask anyway.

    So you're saying the core shown below is not made of steel?

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    No. The core is not yet visible. It was constructed with concrete forms that were supported by the finished steel exterior. Some of the steel inside the core area which supported hallways inside the core is visible and elevator guide rail supports are seen. The the first layer of column steel around the outside is called "interior box columns" and were outside the concrete core. Notice for the first 5 floors down from the top there are no diagonal braces. A steel framed core is covered with them and gusset plates over the columns/beams intersections.

    Notice at the 6th floor is the first place you see diagonal braces beside the crane towers. What you are looking at 6 floors down is a tool used to build the tower. It was called the "crane platform". It had sockets in it for the crane towers that could be raised or lowered extending the function of cranes, to be inserted and the platform served to temporarily stiffen the ring of interior box columns around it. They could only go up 5 floors without lifting the crane platform and the concrete core was then poured in the very space the outer members of the crane platform occupies. The inner form was a breakdown steel form that was reused.

    Construction photos are not understood and are misrepresented. This is why they are logically not allowed in efforts to prove a steel framed core structure. Photos from 9/11 show the concrete core walls and where there should be a steel framed core structure, if one existed, no steel framed core is seen. In the below image, the top left image would show steel framed structure to the left of the annotated end view of the concrete core wall.

    [​IMG]

    http://algoxy.com/psych/images2/panel_1.jpg


    This is about the bogus info the grand jury is going to be given. It is about seeing that they get something real and actionable. That is why gam is here with its BS, to try and prevent people from realizing that the perhaps the last chance to get a re-investigation will be lost because those that have invoked it did so to finally put it all to rest by once again seeing that decisions by authorized people are based on misinformation and hyperbole.
     
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    I don't know about what you think it is or isn't but it looks like at least part of the core to me and certainly looks like steel, not to mention fully visible in the photo. But even if I'm wrong, it's still irrelevant in terms of the grand jury investigation and the lawsuit compelling the FBI and the DOJ to do their mandated job and inform Congress of EVERYTHING they are aware of.
     
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    Failure to produce counter evidence of a steel framed core coupled with selectivity is fatal to a logical argument.

    You have not shown the required diagonal bracing for a steel framed core while also neglecting the fact that misinformation renders the cause of death erroneous. This is s factor that must be presented to the GJ.

    More evidence that shows what can only be concrete as WTC2 comes apart in front of cameras.


    [​IMG]


    Independently verifying the concrete core with a scan of the 1992 Oxford Encyclopedia Of Innovation and Technology.

    [​IMG]
    What is going before the GJ is no more than unsupported speculation, and it doesn’t make sense to jump ahead to that while issues of a deception about the structure are substantiated.
     
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    I have to agree with you for once. I am at a loss to understand his line of argument, most bizarre.
     
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    There is ZERO incentive or obligation for me to show anything about YOUR personal theory. Misinformation on the part of the US government (NIST) does render their stated official cause of death erroneous and that's why these legal actions are being brought to the courtroom.

    If the petitioners and/or plaintiffs do not agree with you why on earth would they include in their lawsuits what YOU believe is evidence that has nothing to do with their allegations at all? You make no sense. If YOU believe YOUR theory is somehow critical to the issues they brought in their Mandamus actions, it's up to YOU to file it.
     
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    If you have no desire for truth and justice there is no incentive to use independently verified evidence that proves a structural deception that invalidates the cause of death. Nothing submitted by

    Your grasp of the legal aspects if the GJ is too inadequate to even comment upon what you have written. Your ID of parties is erroneous and you fail to account for the fact that the GJ will never see the independently verified evidence.
     
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    You keep trying to make this about me, this is utter nonsense. If I didn't have any desire for truth and justice you would have never seen a single post of mine in this section of the forum, never mind the hundreds of posts I write on a regular basis exposing the OCT scam.

    Yet you're here commenting regularly. My grasp of the legal aspects is irrelevant as is yours, neither of us are a party to this legal action. Having said that my grasp of the legal aspects are quite adequate as my posts on the subject fully indicates. If anything it's YOUR grasp that's questionable, you show you don't understand the purpose and objective of these legal actions. They are NOT meant to be proof, they are meant to compel investigations of the crimes of 9/11 and they include and are supported by overwhelming but incomplete evidence. Part of the objective is to expose any and all additional evidence not yet known.

    Irrelevant and phony non sequitur. As already explained, I am not a party to these legal actions, I am merely a poster in this forum for discussion purposes, same as you. Quit making this about me, you're off topic, I'm not the topic of this thread, read the title for comprehension. The onus is on the grand jury to find any and all evidence and sort it out. They have full authority to do just that.
     
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    Spoken as an agent true to the empire when viewed through the safety report by August Domel, November 2001. See page 5 where describes a concrete core. A copy I downloaded from the NCSEA years ago.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf

    But you probably cannot notice, as an agent, that this is independently verifying evidence of a concrete core as was the post bringing the scan of the Oxford Encyclopedia of technology and innovation describing a concrete core.

    Umm do you realize that AE believes in a steel framed core, exactly like the government conspiracy theory does?

    Accountability now.
     
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    This will be my last response to your idiotic and off topic characterization of myself and your "concrete core" obsession, I am no longer interested. Stay on topic or leave this thread. Your other option is to create your own thread ranting about your theory (and Domel's apparently) that no one else on this planet buys and is absolutely irrelevant to both the OCT, their defenders and those who want to expose the OCT as a fraud. Any further posts on your concrete core theory will be ignored. This link provides additional photo evidence of the steel core:

    http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=14

    Now I'm done with your concrete core theory.
     
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    Or, on the other hand, even if your point regarding the concrete core is accurate, in the Big Picture with all things considered, it esoteric, arcane and mostly irrelevant.

    The petition addresses the much larger point that the entire official narrative, including NIST and more, is false. Also the larger point that much of the facts learned in the last years have been ignored or even covered up by the FBI and other federal agencies.

    Malfeasance in a very large way, and deception. The breaking of the law by the Agency meant to uphold the law.

    Your point may be correct, but it has no particular meaning in the larger picture.

    Were the GJ to consider your point, what would it accomplish? Likely confusion.
     
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    Exactly my point. The makeup of the core is not relevant to the allegations listed in the petition and at best only muddies up the purpose of the petition. If an expert witness called to testify by the grand jury mentions the core structure and claims it has some significance somehow it’s then up to the grand jury to sort that out within the context of their investigation. I do seriously doubt that would ever happen though.
     
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    If the GJ gets the info showing a concrete core the only lawful outcome is to subpoena guiliani and get all of the documents back that he took from the NYC dept. of buildings illegally. At the point the public learns AE has been using obsolete plans and taking part in a deception, it will be interesting to say the least.

    One factor will result, a question.

    “What happened to all of the massive concrete?”

    The answer to that gets the public what the public needs.

    But the NYS AG would not have convened the GJ if they were to approach the truth of the structural core. The AG is only prepared to see the info the lawyers have assembled to go to the GJ. That info is basically broad unsupported allegations that cannot be well answered with the evidence provided
     
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    this is all getting silly and irrelevant ... a concrete core consisting of shear walls is impossible considering the steel with lightweight concrete comprising the floors ... what are the shear walls attached to? ... steel? ... the lightweight poured atop the steel and forms? ... I am sure the core was framed core was poured with lightweight as well (for soundproofing) but shear walls? ... not a chance ...
     

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