Thomas Jefferson and the Quran

DennisTate · Apr 9, 2019

I am curious if the information in this article is essentially true?

I hadn't read much about this previously but there does seem to be some logic in this?

We do know from the attempt at appeasement of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany that a tactic of appeasement does not seem to work very well does it?

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~Thomas Jefferson and the Quran~

BOOTS-AND-SPURS·TUESDAY, APRIL 9, 2019

The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~
A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught
in our public schools...

When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed
what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to
U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they
were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.

The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and killed every
man, woman, and child in the village.
It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone.
English and French merchant vessels started running up our flag when
entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.

Why the Marine Hymn contains the verse, "To the Shores of Tripoli ".
This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out
where we may be heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the
United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the
charge!

At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the "Barbary Pirates")
were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic
.
They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant
ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote
heart-breaking letters home, begging their governments and families to pay
whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic
nations of Tripoli, Tunis , Morocco , and Algiers - collectively referred to
as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to
the new American Republic .

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the
protection of Great Britain . When the U.S. declared its independence and
entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.
However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.
Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he
would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to
France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim
adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid
bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of
Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple
case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any
further payments.

Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied
nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A
disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to
Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and
enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards
America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman
Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that
it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not acknowledge
their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war
upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in
battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim
nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders,
including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and
would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the
u\American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe
passage of American ships or the return of American hostages.

The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United
States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third
President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note
demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every
year forthcoming.

That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with
his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American
consulate and declared war on the United States.

Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.
Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for
anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by
Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet
force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the
Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never
forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all
vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other
acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and
acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and
the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to
Tripoli.

The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815.
The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the
shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as
"leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to
prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding
enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their
prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.
America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself,
had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but
fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen.
A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but
mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him.
His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose
an even greater threat to the United States .

This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about
women-only classes and swimming times in America at taxpayer-funded
universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been
banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged;
Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces
because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued
at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks
similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from
their menus; on and on and on and on..

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most
Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across
America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is
really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture,
the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct
knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.
Sadly, it appears that today America's leaders would rather be politically
correct than victorious!
IF YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
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DennisTate · Apr 9, 2019

I haven't finished reading the article yet but I want to make two points that the Islamic world should draw from this:

1. I am Canadian and I think that it is a truly terrible idea to declare war on the USA. They have been really good neighbours to us....... not perfect..... but when you compare Canada - USA relations to any other neighbouring nations for the last two millennia.......... We Canadians have had an amazingly peaceful and helpful neighbour to the south of us!

2. Please be aware that many people who claim to be Muslims........ and quote the Koran..... and not Muslims at all but are Marxist operatives attacking America by raising up hatred for Israel. And Marxists love discrediting Islam and by implication all of the Abrahamic religions by getting the religions to fight and attack each other.

https://www.tldm.org/news9/russianinfluenceonmideast.htm

1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:

In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator.(“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)

1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”

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True Muslims will understand the basic idea of HIERARCHY OF SCRIPTURE.... and will continually be wondering about Sura's like the following:

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

Book DownloadsGod's Peace Plan for the Holy Land and Others
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Title Version
God's Peace Plan Arabic God's Peace Plan Arabic Version (final)
God's Peace Plan English God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land
God's Peace Plan Hebrew God's Peace Plan Hebrew Version (final)
Way of Holiness and the Sacred Hoop Way of Holiness & the Sacred Hoop
What's Going On in the Holy Land What_s Going On In The Holy Land
Map of the Holy Land Map of the Holy Land
Map of the Holy Land Map of the Holy Land (Arabic & Hebrew)
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God's Peace Plan

for the Holy Land

A Peace Plan for Israel/Palestine

conforming to guidelines from the Bible and Qur’an
presented by

Robert Leon Mendelson

Copyright December 2010.

......
Preface

“God’s Peace for the Holy Land*”? Isn’t that a presumptuous title? Please allow

me to explain. First, since the sacred books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

provide the guidelines supporting this solution, and since I wasn’t the one who

wrote them, calling them “God’s” seems fair. That’s why the words “presented by”

precede my name on the title page. Second, this book in no way proselytizes or

puts one religion above another. Nor does it openly or subtly encourage anyone to

convert to anything. What it does is take into account something without which

attaining peace in the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine) will forever be unattainable.

That “something” is the sacred messages delivered to each of the peoples involved

in the dispute. In this case, referencing the sacred books is more than some dry,

scholarly exercise or even a gesture of courtesy. Without taking the sacred books

into account, peace in the Holy Land will be near, if not completely, impossible.

What it boils down to is this: there are two groups of people, Palestinians and

Ashkenazi Jews (a.k.a. “Khazars”/“Eastern European Jews”) living in the Holy Land

and who appear to be genetically unrelated. In general, the belief systems

(religions) of both groups seem to direct them to subjugate and/or expel the other

group based on their being alien interlopers. Since millions of participants believe

this, and because their beliefs lead to acts of violence, finding a solution that

permits peace requires referencing their sacred literature.

Some may say the conflict has nothing to do with religion, but if this were so,

Jews wouldn’t claim “God gave us this land”. There’d be no point in doing so if it

had no importance to people. And Iran, a Persian nation, would have little interest

in a conflict concerning Semitic peoples several hundred miles away. It’s the

religious connection that brings Muslims of diverse backgrounds together in

support of Palestinians. Nor would millions of American Christians support Israel

without that support based on how they’re taught to read their Bibles." (Robert Mendelson)
......
If it were not for Robert's book I would never have guessed that these verses were in the Koran:

Next, we come to Islam and most Palestinians.

Sura 29:46;

Dispute not…with people of the Book;

And say ye, "We believe in what hath been sent down to us [Qur’an]

and what hath been sent down to you. [Old & New Testaments]

Our God and your God is one,..."
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Sura 2:136;

Say ye: "We believe in God,

and that which hath been sent down to us [Qur’an],

and that which hath been sent down to Abraham

and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [Joshua],

and in that was given to Moses, and to Jesus,

and that which was given to the prophets, from their Lord.

No difference do we make between any of them."
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There are many other instances in which Muhammad told his people that

the books of the Bible were confirmed. Again, one can argue theology, but

Muslims have a choice as to whether they wish to read the Qur’an for life or

for death. Making use of the Old Testament for a solution meant for the

members of both tribes currently in the Holy Land in no way places Muslims

in other lands under any constraints in their own land. The following passage

is quite specific regarding the value of the Old Testament—properly applied;

Sura 46:12;

But before the Koran was the Book of Moses, a rule and a mercy;

and this Book confirmeth it (the Pentateuch)—in the Arabic tongue—

that those who are guilty of that wrong may be warned,

and as glad tidings to the doers of good."
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“glad tidings” to “doers of good”. Muslims are supposed to be “doers of good”.

Using Old Testament Law for the descendents of those it was originally given to

in the same land in which it was originally received doesn’t violate shariah in the

least. Muhammad recited a verse including a reference to David (from the Bible)

Sura 6:85;

And we gave him Isaac and Jacob, and guided both aright;

and We had guided…among the descendants of Abraham, David …”
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David said something pertinent to the situation:

Psalm 19:9-11, David;

9…The ordinances of the LORD are sure and altogether righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold;

they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.

11 By them is your servant warned;

in keeping them there is great reward.”
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And last, an Old Testament prophecy of particular interest for Muslims

throughout the Middle East from Isaiah…

Isaiah 19:25;

The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying,

"Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria [Iraq] my handiwork,

and Israel my inheritance."
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There is value for all people to make use of this wonderful tool for peace.

Without it, well, the next two passages sum up what Muslims will do.

The first passage explains how the situation in the Holy Land is seen by

Muslims worldwide and how it effects their relations with America.

Sura 60:7-9;

7 God will, perhaps, establish good will between yourselves

and those of them whom ye take to be your enemies:

God is powerful: and God is gracious, merciful.

8 God doth not forbid you to deal with kindness and fairness

towards those who have not made war upon you on account of your religion,

or driven you forth from your homes:

for God loveth those who act with fairness.

9 Only doth God forbid you to make friends of those who,

on account of your religion,

have warred against you,

and have driven you forth from your homes,

and have aided [America & the West] those [Israel] whom drove you forth:

and whoever maketh friends of them are wrongdoers."
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Palestinians weren’t allowed to return to their homes after the war in 1948.

Then, after the 1967 war, more Palestinians were displaced. The majority of

Palestinians are Muslims, and whether rightly or wrongly, injustices committed

by Israel against Palestinians are perceived as injustices against Muslims as a

religion. According to this belief, verse 9 forbids all Muslims from making peace

with either Israel or anyone who supports Israel until this issue is resolved.

To understand what this next one is saying, understand that when Jews follow

the Torah and Old Testament, they’re included as “faithful”, too.

Sura 49:9-10;

9 If two bodies of the faithful are at war,

then make ye peace between them;

and if one of them wrong the other,

fight against that party which doth the wrong,

until they come back to the precepts of God;

if they come back, make peace between them with fairness,

and act impartially; God loveth those who act with impartiality.

10 Only the faithful [those who obey God's statutes] are brethren;

wherefore make peace between your brethren;

and fear God, that ye may obtain mercy."
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The command to Muslims is for un-ending war until all parties abide by the

“precepts of God”. For Israelites, the precepts for sharing the land were placed

in the Old Testament. There was no need for covenants regarding land sharing

in the Holy Land to be duplicated in the Qur’an. Nor does referencing them in

any way make a Muslim disobedient to God. On the contrary—it enables them

to receive God’s mercy." (Robert Mendelson)

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ashdoc · Apr 9, 2019

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