LIVE: Fire ravages iconic Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    The church is still standing, and the flames are pretty much out.
     
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    Yep totally missed that, d'oh!
     
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    looks like it had needed restoring prior to the fire

    "Notre Dame Cathedral Is Crumbling. Who Will Help Save It?"

    http://time.com/4876087/notre-dame-cathedral-is-crumbling/

    "It will be expensive too, and it’s not at all clear who is prepared to foot the bill. Under France’s strict secular laws, the government owns the cathedral, and the Catholic archdiocese of Paris uses it permanently for free. The priests for years believed the government should pay for repairs, since it owned the building. But under the terms of the government’s agreement, the archdiocese is responsible for Notre Dame’s upkeep"
     
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    I thought they were just indentured servants.
     
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    And it was receiving those renovations
     
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    sounds like just a fraction of them as no one wanted to pay for it, the tax payers did not and the church did not

    very easily could of been bad wiring or something if it was that bad off

    it will definitely get the funds now
     
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    They have yet to form armies and conquer territory.
     
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    this explains why they did not use "flying water tankers"

    https://www.news.com.au/world/europ...s/news-story/355b44377df348cc4bf27fa0db3de5aa

    "The French Civil Security service, possibly responding to US President Donald Trump’s suggestion that firefighters “act quickly” and employ flying water tankers, said that was not an option as it might destroy the entire building. “Helicopter or plane, the weight of the water and the intensity of dropping it at low altitude could weaken the structure of Notre-Dame and cause collateral damage to surrounding buildings,” it tweeted."
     
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    It does come on the heels of a rash of church desecrations and arson in France. Ten instances this year last time I checked. Authorities suspect atheists or feminists.
     
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    Seeing it makes me want to cry - and I am. Not only for the architectural and historical gem, but for France as well. I see it as an omen like the freak earthquake that split the Washington memorial and symbolized the split in our country.

    Yet how nothing it is compared to Notre Dame, which symbolizes France's Christian heritage and Mary's protection to her first daughter. I guess the protection's gone.

    It reminds me of Constantinople when the barbarians were at the gate. For six months no one would step into Aghia Sophia to pray because the Greeks thought it was contaminated by a Latin Rite. They were all fighting among themselves; Greeks with Italians, Genovese with Venetians - that is until they saw a fog rising up from the Cathedral. Some attributed it to the Holy Spirit leaving, and others to God lifting His veil of protection.

    Everyone ran panicky into the Church to pray, but it was too late. The next day the Turks broke through the walls.
     
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    The guillotine is way too good for them. To think, I'm so old I will never see this again.

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    Le monde pleure.
     
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    One would hope. I have seem way too many priceless structures unprotected by sprinkler systems.
     
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    my guess is they already know what did it, probably construction and they informed them, but they will probably wait a couple days to release the information now

    at least that is the only way I can see them announcing it that quick, is that they already know the real cause

    kinda like when Hawaii tweeted missiles are coming and it took them awhile to fess up it was a accident
     
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    It shows you what they think of France, because when Merkel and others were marching for freedom of speech with the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, I read that there were Muslims sweeping the front of a Russian Church to show them respect in deference to the others.

    To be honest though, I don't think the Muslims would damage a cathedral. Smaller churches yes, but taking over a cathedral and turning it into a mosque would be more symbolic of Islam superseding Christianity. Also Notre Dame is dedicated to Mary who the Muslims revere.
     
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    Now I read that it wasn't arson and was a stray flame.

    Don't know what a stray flame is doing wondering around lost...but I do know that when a house burns down in my city, we would raise an eyebrow if we read arson ruled out before the embers cooled, and the cause designated as a stray flame.

    I hope a real investigation takes place.
     
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    that is why I say they must know something, like a blow torch during construction and the worker lost control of it, otherwise is stupid to say what they said
     
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    I heard the Clintons were visiting, and as soon as they stepped inside the church burst into flames. Something about a lightening bolt...
     
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    The wooden roof structure sits on top of all the masonry structure, as a weather protection. The interior masonry held up very good. One big hole were the spire crashed through.
    The spire was just 175 years old, a replacement of the original.
    It is very bad, not as bad as it could have been.

    Probably caused by a slopy construction worker. 6:30 pm the fire was reported, they quit around 5 pm.
    Old very dry oak timber, when that starts burning, hasta la vista baby.
    The re-build will be a national project, a matter of pride, were cost does not matter.
     
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    o_O

    However, it is accurate that there remains a drive within Islam to convert Christian cathedrals and churches into mosques as a superior way to demonstrate conquest and victory over Christians and Christianity.

    There are cathedrals all over Europe and few white Europeans aren't atheists so they are no longer places of worship. Most are in various levels of deterioration and many too unsafe to enter, like old castles. There has been a subtle conflict between Muslims who want these old cathedrals having the money and volunteers to repair and convert them to mosques - against those who instead just want them demolished.

    Which would be better? Letting them become mosques? Or demolish them since no one otherwise will put up the money to restore a Catholic (or Protestant) cathedral that no one uses and tourist admission prices don't cover maintenance and staffing? Personally, between the two choices I would say demolish it. Making it a mosque is a corruption of history. If the religion of the church or cathedral died and it can not be preserved as it's original purpose, then destroy it.

    Having it converted to a symbol of Islam's defeat of Christianity - however that occurred - is not a good re-purposing. Lots of people spent their lives building and serving in such cathedrals for generations. If that use has come to any end, then it should come to an end.

    They were never built to be works of art. Everything in them has a spiritual religious purpose. In a sense, a cathedral and its contents are actually a book - noting that the vast majority of Europeans in the era of Cathedrals were illiterate and Catholic sermons in Latin. The pictures, stained glass and statutes all are picture books.

    The concepts of past Christianity - Jesus, his life, heaven, hell, angels, demons, all to this day are defined by the stories told in the images - the pictures, statutes, stained glass images, pray stations etc - of those ancient cathedrals. Those cathedrals and their contents were the "Bible" to the vast majority of Christians for nearly the entire history of Christianity in the West - not the written Bible. Re-writing those structural "books" instead to be Islamic books would be like rewriting the Bible changing the name "Jesus" to "Mohammad." Restore old cathedrals as they were - or destroy them. They each are the storybook of ancient Christianity, not ancient Islam.
     
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    Probably not. Probably arson - that couldn't be done while workmen were present.
     
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    you do not get up there, were the fire started.
    Somebody screwed up and did not notice it, they called it a day, locked the construction site.
    In that old a timber, it needs one spark and hours later the whole building is burning.
    That could have happened any time during the day.
    She will be re-built.
     

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