LIVE: Fire ravages iconic Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris

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  1. Thingamabob

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    You hit the nail squarely on the head. The Mail now quotes him, "We WILL rebuild Notre Dame!"
     
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    In that case, let's enjoy it. Prost! :beer:
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    One thing I feel better after finding out is that the Spire which burned and collapsed was added in the 19th century. I had always seen that as what made Notre Dame Notre Dame but apparently it was not.

    Like the 4 spires around Hagia Sophia were added after the Turks took it over. Many people do not recognize it without them yet they were not part of the original structure for well over the first thousand years of its existence
     
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    There is some hope, some people said that we could have an exceptionnal restauration site and spoke of 3 years. I'm not sure if it could be realized that fast, but like Napoleon said, impossible, that's not a french word, that kind of sentence was forgotten in the country for the last years.
    There is a lot of other beautifull cathedrals however, Reims, Toulouse, Rouen.
     
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    The President of France commenting on a huge fire in an iconic French building hardly counts as 'quoting celebrities'. Quoting other world leaders simply indicates that they are concerned about what has happened - or in the case of Trump that he should never be allowed to direct a fire fighting operation. Again, not 'celebrity quotes'.

    When people start quoting non-French movie stars, musicians etc. then you have a point.
     
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    I was lucky enough to go there for the first time last summer. I can hardly express my horror at watching it burn today. It truly broke my heart to watch. I am not a religious person, but it was impossible not to be overwhelmed and overtaken by something larger than myself in that place. The audacity of the structure, the history, the art, the stained glass... it cannot be overstated. The people that it survived, the ideas that it contained, the light that it held across our darkest of times. There are truly too few places that are capable of elevating humanity. The Notre Dame is by all measures one of the absolute best. By some complete stroke of luck, the day that I was there in June it wasn't crowded at all. I was able to walk around slowly within those walls and just look and feel and be there. The gravitas of the place cannot be ignored. It was truly awe-inspiring.

    I also happen to be a firefighter/EMT. I guarantee it didn't take the firefighters 2 hours to arrive on scene at the Notre Dame. They are some of the most highly trained, best prepared, and brave firefighters in the world. The complexity of fighting this fire would be hard to quantify with its construction techniques, height, cultural significance, and purpose. Aerial towers and master streams in combination might have the reach to help, but fighting from the interior is not realistic with this building. The water pressure and nozzles you would need to hit ceilings a few hundred feet in the air don't exist. To his credit, Trump's notion to drop water from the air is not the worst idea given what we were watching, but it's not something that would ever be done given the force exerted by a pumpkin drop let alone a VLAT. I deploy during the summers to fight wildfires in the west and anyone who has ever seen air ops happen knows that you're never going to fly a DC10 low over Paris to do this. Those tools are used to paint entire ridge lines and it's a completely different tactic being employed. Helicopters aren't realistic either for some similar reasons and some different reasons. You're not going to hover a helicopter low over a structure to limit the force of the drop because you risk the smoke causing the turbines to stall and the visibility causing a crash. You're not going to drop from a high altitude because the force of the drop will collapse the structure. Not realistic. In any case, the fight they put on to save the bell towers was heroic and they deserve the massive praise they'll receive.

    All that aside, I'm just really sad for Paris, for France, and for humanity. It will never be the same place.
     
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    On September 20, 2017 - the local police fired at a Muslim man who tried to enter the church and attack the guards.
     
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    It looks much the same from the outside and many of the windows did not melt. Some of the priceless pieces had been removed due to the restoration work and apparently they got more out last night...so some concern about it moving and moving a bit much and falling down before that is sorted but they will get the money and will rebuild it with similar materials and the same techniques that were done originally.

    Corbyn has said the same could happen at Westminster. I guess this will be the beginning of all historic buildings getting sprinklers and anything else to make them more fireproof.

    From the time the fire started it was being said the belief was it was an accident which happened in connection with the work going on. This remains the belief and workers are being interviewed. There has recently been another announcement making clear that it is believed this was an accident not arson.
     
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  9. Pycckia

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    You are unusual in that regard, I think. Most people seek comfort with others during a tragedy.
     
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    On September 8, 2016, two members of ISIS were caught in a probable attack on Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris that was uncovered by French authorities. The average citizen did not hear about it until Wednesday when French news outlets reported it as the confiscation of a car filled with seven propane tanks on a street near Notre Dame cathedral.
     
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    I said what I said, and that wasn't it.

    If I told you the football game starts at 1PM, your reply would be "so, you think it starts at 3PM?"
     
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    Yes, construction workers did something like welding.
     
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    Were they Muslim construction workers?
     
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    Go find out.
     
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    I'll let the proper authorities do their job.

    But you don't care?
     
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    Maybe communist, maybe agnostic, maybe Jew, maybe protestant, maybe...………….. ?
     
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    No, I certainly do not care what religion the construction workers were since it seems clear it was an accident.
     
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    They haven't even started investigating but it is clear to you it is an accident?
     
  19. Pycckia

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    Muslim.
     
  20. Pro_Line_FL

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    Lets try again: It seems clear it was an accident.

    And no, I do not care what religion the workers are.

    Do you know what Notre Dame means? It means 'our lady' aka virgin Mary, who just happens to be the most righteous woman in Islam (or one of the most righteous). The Quran mentions her name more often than the Bible does. Why would they destroy a church built after her?
     
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    It doesn't seem clear to me. What have you seen that makes it clear?

    Shrug. Muslims tried (at least) once before.

    Perhaps they object to the artwork which they consider sacrilegious. Perhaps they are trying to destroy Western Civilization so they can take over. It is not easy to dissect such an alien culture. We just know they hate us.
     
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    The fact that they were actually renovating that particular section of the building using welding equipment, and that the wooden beams were hundreds of years old and therefore extremely dry. I guess some things are obvious to some people and less obvious to others.

    Lets wait and see who was right.
     
  23. Pycckia

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    It is plausible, perhaps, but not clear. It is just as plausible that it was an act of terrorism. Churches in France are desecrated and burned at an alarming rate. Notre Dame had been the target of terrorists before.
     
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    This fire was very high up, i heard that they did equipment designed for this
     
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    No, since there is nothing indicating it was terrorism. The vandals of other churches were not muslims either, but anarchists.
     

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