Reflect on the words of Caucasian economist, Douglass C. North, then ask yourselves

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    ...could we ever find equitable resources to compensate, Black people, what we owe to them for making America great?.... As a result of the Legacy of slavery??

    IMHO it is simply, impossible, to ever repay Blacks what we owe them thanks to the legacy of slavery. Here's just one, small example why:

     
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    Slaves made plantations and slave owners great. The great(wealthy) slave owners greatness(wealth) was taxed by the gov't. The Union army went "scorched earth" on the slave owners, and erased their greatness(wealth). Taxpayers have paid reparations for decades, through ethnocentric subsidies. War's over ... everyone lost ... the end.
     
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    Hey @PrincipleInvestment ... Did You forget to address info the OP here, sir, because you-know-who does not like it when that happens:


     
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    Ask me if I care ... yeah ... cotton ... the source of southern wealth ... scorched earth ... addressed it. I'm not a cut & paste subscriber. Report me.
     
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    Why do you refuse to address what the OP says? Does discussing the truth/the facts here really hurt, that bad??
     
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    I laid out the truth succinctly, and you don't like that one bit. Too bad. The truth is very easily expressed in very few words. Phony narratives have to be constructed, and are much more tedious to disect. I came straight tothe point. There's no wealth to be divided, and compensation has been provided far in excess of the original claim anyway. Modern reparations are your topic, not pre war economics.
     
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    You know what is truly amazing about the left these days? This insistence that we pay reparations. Ok, to whom should we pay these reparations? Slaves.. right? Ok, how about democrats start paying reparations to those they insist on having come to this country in human trafficking then? Are they not the modern slaves democrats thrive on? No? To put a much more substantive foot on this, ask why democrats don't insist on ending that human trafficking today. Ask why they have to shift the conversation away from their active support of importing those modern day slaves, and insist on having the most ridiculous of all conversations about making reparations to the slaves from centuries ago. Ok, who do you pay? I couldn't put a hand on ONE slave from the old plantation economy. Where are those that they would pay reparations to? The short answer, there are none. Zero. Not a one left after a century and a half.

    So democrats, who, if not yourselves, would you pay?
     
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    I voted for Trump. I love being an Evangelical plus I support building the wall, and I enjoy it how Trump constantly shows love to darkskin Blacks.

    All of those are things which the Left, hates, so please sir tell me what does that then make me? I'm a lefty? Or righty-tighty??

    No, the Right actually created the tort society which we have become. Reparations is merely, tort, just exactly like the tort which our USA courts always make sure we White people get to receive.

    Let's not play possum about this.

    And please feel free, to say, if you feel Black people are owed something for this:

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    Nearly forty percent of Britain’s exports were cotton textiles. Seventy-five percent of the cotton that supplied Britain’s cotton mills came from the American South, and the labor that produced that cotton came from slaves.

    Because of British demand, cotton was vital to the American economy. The Nobel Prize-winning economist, Douglass C. North, stated that cotton “was the most important proximate cause of expansion” in the 19th century American economy. Cotton accounted for over half of all American exports during the first half of the 19th century.

    The cotton market supported America’s ability to borrow money from abroad. It also fostered an enormous domestic trade in agricultural products from the West and manufactured goods from the East. In short, cotton helped tie the country together...
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    Who is "we"? Who is "they"? What is "owed"?
     
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    I apologize sir but due to my disrepute for deceitful, Satanic elements, your posts are now ineligible for my replies.
     
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    You can't answer? Why bother posting then?
     
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    Good points. However they don't take into acct that modern day slaves did not make America, great, but cotton certainly did make America great. So since Dems and Repubs reaped that benefit, within this tort society, then explain why should Blacks not had been compensated for the resultant of this:

    "...By the time shots were fired on Fort Sumter in April 1861, cotton was the core ingredient of the world’s most important manufacturing industry.

    The manufacture of cotton yarn and cloth had grown into “the greatest industry that ever had or could by possibility have ever existed in any age or country,” according to the self-congratulatory but essentially accurate account of British cotton merchant John Benjamin Smith.

    By multiple measures—the sheer numbers employed, the value of output, profitability—the cotton empire had no parallel...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/12/empire-of-cotton/383660/ ..."
     
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    What "blacks"? Compensated by whom?
     
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    Nah, not buying your packaging. But, I will advance this. There are no slaves that are alive today that we could extend reparations to. Further, unless you are referring to those the left import in bulk, that qualify as human trafficking, then, there wouldn't be anyone to pay reparations to. Makes it simple enough for you?

    As a legal theory, should I, if I could point to irrevocable harm cause to me by legislation that only ever effected my direct lineage family, be able to receive damage payments because those ancestors are no longer alive to receive them? I think that's terrible theory. In fact, I would go so far as to say, it's ludicrous. But, I suppose enterprising lawyers need to do something with their time. Why not just community service projects? Better use of time, and resources.

    I would also remind you that the law doesn't look kindly on things that happen after the fact. So, harms that happened while something was legal, wouldn't have been considered harms at the time, and hence no application of tort would be available. Retroactive recompensation is generally never a construct we find in the law, for lots of reasons. Think about it this way. For if your theory is correct, than any future descendant of any employee of any company, or association, or government could then retroactively hold a government, or corporation liable for a harm that wasn't a legal harm at the time, but cause irreparable harm to them in the future. It's a stupid theory.

    Think about this future claim, public education was inadequate to all students of... fill in the blank..... then 5 generations later, the descendants of ......fill in the blank..... go to court to be recompensed for their lack of success because of the failure that happened long in the past... or no... how about this one... my family was economically motivated to leave our country of ancestry, and now, generations later, we sue our country of origin for not providing a better economy or political environment which caused our family, and all those like us, to move to this nation. Given your theory then, our "original harm" never abates, and is then always testable in court where we should then expect that our pain then can be salved by that nations tax payers for our irreparable harms...
     
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    So what? Not all cotton at the time was produced as a product of plantation slavery, was it? To suggest you can be authoritative here is unlikely.
     
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    that is irrelevant. that your govt never paid reparations DOES NOT mean that the slaves OR their descendants are not due reparations. totally illogical reasoning. White Jewish Europeans are receiving reparations from europeans today for the horrors inflicted on their ancestors, so the precedent is set, its just that the american govt wants to continue the racial tensions by not fulfilling its debt to so called african americans
     
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    Probably was. Or at least, a huge majority.

    So unless you have alternative, proof, then let us stick to the legacy of Slavery's cotton by which we still owe Black citizens for ---since we never repaid their ancestors nor them, here in our tort society.
     
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    well then, why don't you pay them.
     
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    I think it's too bad, how everytime you are proven wrong, you never address that in your next post.

    It causes you to never hold yourself accountable for posting, fatuity, which of course means your posts will continue to commit the same transgression over and over. How will your intellect ever advance, this way?
     
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    So how are they paid.
    By the percentage of black DNA in their blood.
    How about black slaveowners

    what people pay these bills.
    certainly not the people who freed them.

    My family came here after slavery, you don't expect me to pay.
     
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    So what.

    Your family came here and refused to, pass up, their White Privilege which slavery secured for them. And actually, that is exactly why they came here; to enjoy White Privilege!

    Therefore, yes sir, your family is expected to pay.
     
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    are you saying they didn't have white privilege in Europe.
    how much are you paying.
     
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    :)
     
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    LOLOL

    Europe had slaves since the beginning of Europe.
     
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    LOLOL
    You're living on an entitlement, you don't work.
    And you feel you are owed more.
     
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