So you’re a gay man therefore you understand sexism more than a woman,...I am a straight woman and I know more about homophobia lol Obviously something happened to you that you see being married makes you powerless. I don’t know what your home life was like but something caused you to feel a marriage makes one powerless. I guess you’ll never marry a guy because then you’ll be powerless after all that’s what marriage does. I’m aware it’s 2019 and as you say you weren’t born in the 1950s but there was no feminist movement then anyway. But yet you seem to think you are an expert on the feminist movement when you weren’t even born nor was your mother. Those “shrieking women “ made it all change and only a fool doesn’t understand the concept of the power of a movement Guess it was just a coincidence that when feminist men and women took action that unbelievable changes occurred...even your mommy profited from it. I guess to you Gay activists had nothing to do with anti discrimination laws...You just profit from them
why couldn't I believe what actually happened but doesn't make sense? weather no this never happened there are a lot of places where gay people can be discriminated in housing and employment. well that's kind of how minds are changed. Come see if you have someone who thinks that gay people shouldn't be treated equally they're disconnected from gay people. If one of them is their son or daughter or sibling that connects them with it. and someone's much more likely to be open-minded to their son daughter or sibling then they are somebody they never met. Women aren't barred from anyting. So no women aren't barred from a high-paying position they can go do that if they want and if they have the chops.
you don't think male is a sex? Or that people are sexist against males? or more likely in the without the use of a crystal ball it's simply a fact. why does something have to have happened to me? Lol, I married a guy in September of 2015 shortly after the oberfell decision. this is false I have never once spoken about the history of the feminist movement. Because I'm not educated on it, and I don't care to be so save your breath. I talked about the feminist movement as it exists today. Because it is really getting stupid. no they don't they're typically 19-25 extraordinarily privileged 300lbs + idiots shrieking about manspreading. They don't take care of themselves. what by writing blogs are putting on a pink hat and walking down the street that's nothing nobody cares about that. And feminist men are closeted sex offenders Considering discrimination against gay people still legal in a lot of places no. there are several states that you can be fired from your job if they find out you're gay they can deny you housing if they find out you're gay.
It so sad that people who have fought for your gay rights are so unappreciated. You actually believe that a few people can get all these things accomplished by just talking to someone because they o someone gay . You have no understanding of power in numbers and leaders. Unbelievable and so ungrateful Gay people have title vii You also don’t seem to understand when you have 200 years of patriarchy it takes a lot of time to get into the networking system. Women are rising fast and it isn’t because somebody has daughters and they talk to somebody about it or however you simplify a movement Ever hear of consciousness raising? Bet you think desegregation happened because someone had a black friend No one cared that gay people could get arrested in gay bars except of course those parents who had a son or daughter or a sibling who is gay but once leaders made it known people became aware of how wrong it was And actions happened You’re young and you take your rights for granted and don’t appreciate those who have you rights once unheard of.
No I don't believe that stupid **** you just said. Having friends and family that come out is how you change hearts and minds. That is never accomplished through Street protests in various forms of activism. you either have no understanding of the words I typed or you purposefully misrepresented them. title nine protects against discrimination on the basis of sex race national and religion. it hasn't been extended to sexual orientation. do you know what patriarchy is? The patriarchy exploits men for the benefit of women. men who have daughters and wives protect their daughters and wives That's patriarchy. They don't say defend yourselves that is considered unmasculine. in fact if a man in the street sees another man beating up a woman that he doesn't know, he's not just going to sit there and watch that man beat up that woman. That is created for the benefit of women. Because men are physically stronger and can injure women. That's the patriarchy and you absolutely love it. It's the thing that affords you all of your privileges. Women are highly valued in our society they pretty much always have that, that's why we don't send them to war that's why for the longest time they weren't police and that's why they don't do dangerous jobs because they don't have to. that's why we don't put those expectations on women to live up to their womanhood. We do put those expectations on men. So Don't preach to me about the patriarchy you've benefited from an all of your life. And if it were to disappear women would be the ones who are victimized by it's absence. you sure are stuck on your misrepresentation. you are not going to trick me into Defending Your strawman you no matter how much you present it. I would ask you to stop being dishonest but I think that's like asking the wind to stop blowing. so why did people think it was wrong how gay people were treated? I'm pretty sure for just about the entirety of history gay people were seen as wrong themselves. So any treatment against them in this manner was justified. In order to change the opinion gay people deserve this treatment for being gay you have to change hearts and minds. you are an ultra privileged woman living in this era in this country. You preach about the patriarchy but you don't know what it is and how you came about the extreme benefits you have because of it. Just to explain to you how far back female privilege goes it started with the suffrage movement. at that moment women we're given the right to vote but they weren't expected to serve in the military. That is privileged and that's how long you've had it. So quit being so ungrateful for all the sacrifices you have made for you so that you can whine and cry about feminism. If we ship you to a country with a real nasty patriarchy they would stone you to death for not wearing black polyester all over your body. The very fact you would say to me this after bitching about all the privilege you have and how it's not enough shows that you are a hypocrite in the absolute extreme. Just FYI I consider myself very lucky to live in the United States, and I know that this was created because not only were there people before me that fought for it there are people now that fight for it and they're brave men and women the endless in the military you're not shrieking hags pissed off because the world doesn't bend at their feet.
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I can’t believe that you actually believe that a movement whether it be the woman’s movement the gay movement or the black movement just come about because people have relatives. As a gay man you should certainly educate yourself about the gay movement and how many people were killed for it. You Said you were young so I have to assume from your lack of logic that you are a kid. I certainly hope so Here is something happening and I’m sure it’s just because some parents have gay kids lol https://www.hrc.org/resources/federal-legislation In order to change hearts and minds about gay people you first have to raise consciousness and awareness. I developed a curriculum in prejudice in NY many years ago and homophobia was rampant. I did a workshop recently and most young people believe gay people should be able to marry. I was lucky enough to be able to make them aware of prejudices There is something funny about you telling me that I know nothing about patriarchy. you have mentioned that I am old and that you are young I knew patriarchy quite well. I was an activist feminist fighting against patriarchy. But of course you think it just happened in a vacuum when women were sweet and in their place. No , women got angry and as a result women today take so much for granted that I couldn’t. Do you think denying women admission to the top universities was not . patriarchy? Do you think that women who worked but were married couldn’t get their own credit cards without the husband signing was not patriarchy.? Do you think that rapists were allowed to bring friends to court to say the women was a slut wasn’t patriarchy? Do you think denying women reproductive freedom wasn’t patriarchy? Do you think women being denied title nine money for athletics wasn’t patriarchy ? Do you think women getting paid for the same work wasn’t patriarchy? Things sure have changed and they didn’t happen because women were sweet. It happened because of good leadership like Gloria Steinem and consciousnes raising Once you become aware of injustices, there is no going back… Yes the first wave of the women’s movement was the right to vote that should speak volumes about the respect for women. If you want women to serve in the military in a draft then do something about it. Those laws denying women access to the military were written by men. Women were denied promotions in the military I have to laugh at your point that you they should to ship me to a country with a real nasty patriarchy..gee, that’s the answer. We don’t have burkas so we should be grateful . Imagine what they would do to you I’m sorry you see women like me as “shrieking hags “ But I will defend you against all the people who see you as a screaming queen and hate you and think you’re disgusting pervert. Practically everything you have written here is perfect for my course. You see I work with hundreds of people in the area of prejudice and I need input from people like you because I have not met many real misogynists.
You can't believe that because it's not what I said. I'm part of it. Thanks. You still aren't going to trick me into Defending Your strawman. The first step to raising conciseness and awareness is to recognize that you are actually gay and admit it to yourself and the people closest to you. I can't expect you to know this because you are heterosexual. That is the hardest part. I've lived it, than I met my husband, and he lived it. If you would like to interview me I'll be happy to. I think it's really inspiring that these younger people have no real concept of prejudice. I don't need them paying homage to me for doing my tiny part of paving the way for it. The fact that it's dying is plenty. I don't know why that isn't enough for you. It's what affords you the privilege you live under. It's what protects you from the men who would stone you to death for speaking out of turn. Well you talk about protesting in the 70s. That would put you at at least 16 during the 70s in order to be aware of it and allowed to protest unless you had parents drug you to protests as a child. So you have to be in your kid 50s at least. I'm 37, I was born in 82. Lol fighting against what allows you the freedom to fight against things that's funny. If it wasn't for police and military lawyers, politicians and judges your rights wouldn't be recognized at all. And here feminism is today begging men to check their "privilege." Asking men to rescue women. It's not strength, it's pathetic. Do you deny men building everything your royal behind has sat upon us patriarchy? Do you not think the men that designed, built, and maintained your royal carraige (vehicle) is patriarchy Do you think the men that attest, and imprison rapists isn't patriarchy? Patriarchy exists to serve you. To the point we have absolved women of just about every adult responsibility. Denying them the right to slay a baby in the womb? No I think that was just called decency. Men allocating money and privilege for women is patriarchy. You're welcome. Men deciding to pay women equally is patriarchy. Yeah it happened because men were sweet despite the fit throwing. They listened they understood, they sympathised, and they obliged. Steinem is a journalists turned activist. So nobody. I had to look her up. I had no idea who she was. But I know who Martin Luther King was. Strange isn't it? False it was the privilege to vote with no responsibility. If that was about equality, women would have to sign up for the draft. I'm not the one running my mouth about how feminism is about equality when from the moment of it's Inception it was about privilege. I don't care that women vote, I don't really want them being drafted. I'm just pointing out how feminism is not about equality. Typical feminist, you want all the privilege and none of the responsibility. All you are concerned about is what women can get, you don't give a **** about equality. In fact I think you despise it. Well you are incredibly ungrateful for all the men who died so you can live in this resplendent Paradise where you can wag your hateful finger in the face of men and they'll still do things for you. It's ironic how you accused me of being ungrateful to people before me. The only thing that happens to you is people on the internet won't kiss your royal bottom when you demand respect. Feminists wanted to be able to Murder babies in the womb, granted. Feminists wanted equal pay, granted, feminist wanted to be able to vote, granted our country has given you everything your precious little heart desires and it's still not enough. I'm just really jaded with it all. I adore men they are Profoundly empathetic, fair reasonable and kind. For you hags to **** on them for all they do for you is astounding. If only being gay was a choice. I don't need your defense. I faced my parents fearing they might just disown me. Your words are nothing. I doubt you use everything I say. You can't even follow it. You keep up with a strawman fallacy. I bet if you do lecture in college that my statements are heavily redacted and misinterpreted. You do it to my face boldly. I take solace in the fact that when students leave the safety of college they mostly will discover what a lie feminism is.
]You can't believe that because it's not what I said. I hope this works.where my responses are red. You indeed said, that the movement started by people with gay children The first step to raising conciseness and awareness is to recognize that you are actually gay and admit it to yourself and the people closest to you. I can't expect you to know this because you are heterosexual. That is the hardest part. Unlike you I understand consciousness raising but in your world, it’s only about you, Then why can you not understand why women became aware that they were being discriminated against in our society. That they were being denied access to things men had access to. As a gay man you could pretend you’re not gay but I could not pretend I was not a woman. There used to be consciousness raising where women would share and make Each other aware of what was being denied to them and the role they were subjected to I've lived it, than I met my husband, and he lived it. If you would like to interview me I'll be happy to. I lived in Greenwich village, I don’t need to interview you. I would love to use some of what you say in my workshops because people don’t realize there are still some people who think like you I think it's really inspiring that these younger people have no real concept of prejudice. I don't need them paying homage to me for doing my tiny part of paving the way for it. The fact that it's dying is plenty. I don't know why that isn't enough for you. Spoken like a true extremist...”young people have no concept of prejudice” you may not, but they do. And yes I need them paying homage to me, they must bow before they speak to me. But leading workshops and prejudice awareness for 20 years and creating a curriculum in NYC makes me a little knowledgeable about prejudice It's what affords you the privilege you live under. It's what protects you from the men who would stone you to death for speaking out of turn. Well you talk about protesting in the 70s. That would put you at at least 16 during the 70s in order to be aware of it and allowed to protest unless you had parents drug you to protests as a child. So you have to be in your kid 50s at least. I'm 37, I was born in 82. My daughter is older than you! I was protesting in the 70s and organizing consciousness raising groups .well at least your age explains your lack of awareness. Lol fighting against what allows you the freedom to fight against things that's funny. If it wasn't for police and military lawyers, politicians and judges your rights wouldn't be recognized at all. Of course, cops and lawyers and judges would have suddenly decided that sexism is wrong. I have a bumper sticker on my car which could give you some insight and it says, “well behaved women rarely make history“. It was the uprising of a movement that got police and lawyers and politicians and judges aware of the problems. So do you think the Jim Crow laws had nothing to do with activism and it was just that lawyers did it and judges and cops? . And here feminism is today begging men to check their "privilege." Asking men to rescue women. It's not strength, it's pathetic. Again the extremism that we are begging men to check their privilege and asking them to rescue us. I guess you would be offended if I said game then we’re begging to be rescued from discrimination. Do you deny men building everything your royal behind has sat upon us patriarchy? Do you not think the men that designed, built, and maintained your royal carraige (vehicle) is patriarchy Why do you deny that everything your Royal behind sat on was built by heterosexual men? Of course most things were designed by men because they were the only ones that had access to the ability to do that. Do you believe that women suddenly became smart now that they too are designing and creating as well? Do you think the men that attest, and imprison rapists isn't patriarchy? Patriarchy exists to serve you. To the point we have absolved women of just about every adult responsibility. I think you have some real serious issues. Besides being an extremist with your silly comments like women have no adult responsibilities, you have no idea of women and their intelligence and the power because you disrespect them so much. Denying them the right to slay a baby in the womb? No I think that was just called decency. SICK! Men allocating money and privilege for women is patriarchy. You're welcome. Men deciding to pay women equally is patriarchy. Yeah it happened because men were sweet despite the fit throwing. They listened they understood, they sympathised, and they obliged. Steinem is a journalists turned activist. So nobody. I had to look her up. I had no idea who she was. Ok..you win...you have no idea what a movement is. When you don’t understand history and what changes it makes discussing things with you or waste of time But I know who Martin Luther King was. Strange isn't it? Yes it is because you think he and millions of his followers had nothing to do with desegregation..it just happened because white people were nice False it was the privilege to vote with no responsibility. If that was about equality, women would have to sign up for the draft. Men made the laws.men don’t women being drafted... I'm not the one running my mouth about how feminism is about equality when from the moment of it's Inception it was about privilege. I don't care that women vote, I don't really want them being drafted. I'm just pointing out how feminism is not about equality Typical feminist, you want all the privilege and none of the responsibility. All you are concerned about is what women can get, you don't give a **** about equality. In fact I think you despise it. If you were in my class you would learn that equality does not mean the same. You seem less concerned about what women want and more concerned in thinking we’re betting what we don’t deserve I am still windering what in your life Caused you to hate women so much and I am sure people who know you assume that is why you are gay Well you are incredibly ungrateful for all the men who died so you can live in this resplendent Paradise where you can wag your hateful finger in the face of men and they'll still do things for you It's ironic how you accused me of being ungrateful to people before me. The only thing that happens to you is people on the internet won't kiss your royal bottom when you demand respect. Feminists wanted to be able to Murder babies in the womb, granted. Feminists wanted equal pay, granted, feminist wanted to be able to vote, granted our country has given you everything your precious little heart desires and it's still not enough. I'm just really jaded with it all. I adore men they are Profoundly empathetic, fair reasonable and kind. For you hags to **** on them for all they do for you is astounding. If only being gay was a choice I don't need your defense. I faced my parents fearing they might just disown me. Your words are nothing. OK now I am beginning to understand you obviously had a very difficult time growing up. And I really have to laugh that lmen are profoundly empathetic and kind” and then refer to women as hags The prisons are just filled with violent women. By the way people believe that being gay is a choice and you sound like one who tried to act straight it was probably mocked by women I doubt you use everything I say. You can't even follow it. You keep up with a strawman fallacy. I bet if you do lecture in college that my statements are heavily redacted and misinterpreted. You do it to my face boldly. I take solace in the fact that when students leave the safety of college they mostly will discover what a lie feminism is I don’t work only with college students I work with high school students and teachers and corporations as well. The fact that you say feminism is a lie cannot be misinterpreted in anyway. Your hatred for women is as bad as those I made who want to kill homosexuals because they think they are disgusting perverts Many think homosexuals are sick people and from what you write here you are reinforcing it... I thank you for your input because as I said I have never met anyone as misogynistic as you..ever.It may be because we are just anonymous people on a message board but I need these insights to understand . Actually most gay men I know love women and supported the women’s movement because it helped them to
I am ignoring you for a while...you’re just too bitchy and getting to personal I read the first couple of response and realized you have some deep issues of hating women. I’m sorry you wasted your time writing all that but i had to stop because I can’t feed into your issues.i would guess you were damaged by women but I hope you and your husband are happy...
dear women, i am practicing re-caulking a bathtub shower stall. what other full service boyfriend skills should a mostly nice guy have?
what if i am really bashful due to my low numbers and limited practice? we know women know how to talk and how to make appointments. are there no women of morals who love to "do unto others as they would have others do unto them", one to three hours at a time?
Do you have the funds to visit local prostitutes a few times each week? It will give you a lot of valuable experience regarding women. Use protection of course and stay safe my friend. Perhaps consider using brothels rather that shopping on street corners. Another option is swinger sites and clubs, not much talking is needed. Lots of women just want to get down to business. Even picking up women for one night stands in clubs is good (but hard work). All notches in your belt, each one adding to your experiance and confidance. I would not bother trying to be what you perceive women want (They rarely know themselves). Just consentrate on yourself keep having random sex.
it's okay go lick your wounds. the irony is palpable. Further you realize this and state so multiple times and every post you make in response to me. It sounds more like that you are trying to convince yourself of this. here you are making it personal again. Shut your Gob about me. I don't care what you think if I had your approval there would be something wrong. this is another thing you notice or realized in every single post. And this is also a personal attack because you can't argue. It's because you know I'm right and it pisses you off. You're one of those type of women that get irritated when someone else is right and you're not. so you tell yourself that anyone who doesn't just kiss your fat ass is damaged. I'm not going to say I'm perfect I don't have quite the ego you do. I've gone through a lot of humbling experiences in my life seems you could use some of those. very happy with one another I hope you and your cat are happy.
learn to value yourself, when you're desperate for sex women will use that to manipulate you. best advice fix yourself first.
I prefer to make appointments to practice my morality, one to three hours at a time. I can't find any nice girls of morals.
That is in no way surprising considering the attitude and personality you project. I am not even female and you totally turn ME off, I can only imagine what women think.
whatever can you mean; i am claiming the morality of, doing unto others as you would have others do unto you, one to three hours at a time.
dear women, want to be my chocolate, even if only for a little while? i believe in equality, why don't you.
I hope you're not considering rape, " doing unto others as you would have others do unto you". Just because you would have them have sex with you it doesn't mean they want to and consent. Please stick with women who are willing, either for pleasure or money.
you brought up your red herring. we were discussing the morality of doing unto others as you would have others do unto you, one to three hours at a time.
