I'm Reading The Entire Mueller Report | 37% Completed | Very Disturbing

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    They do have to be high crimes and misdemeanors. Which the fruitless report fails to provide, even the slightest. The House can laughably, foolishly and stupidly proceed to 'impeach' the President, but the Senate will not entertain it. If you want to give the House back to Republicans, do it.
     
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    This is wrong on so many levels, I hardly know where to begin. Let's start with the booming economy that you give Donald Trump credit for in total and complete error.

    That booming economy began booming long before Donald Trump took office. Fact. The economy had tanked to the worst level since the Great Depression from the 2007 economic fallout that hit the fan in 2008. Fact. It was a $14 Trillion economy then. Record job losses and foreclosures were just the tip of the iceberg. Systemic failure in the flow of liquidity throughout the economy threatened a depression. International TIC flows nearly went full reversal. All economic indicators that matter were negative. Key/Major US industries were threatened with implosion. The heart of Capitalism (the US financial markets) was frozen. Banks no longer lent money to other banks nationally. International banks no longer lent money to International banks globally.

    You don't spin a $14 Trillion economy on a dime, reverse its momentum from the downside to the upside and expect a miracle recovery to take place in a couple short years. An economy as large as ours taking as big a hit as it did would take a very long time to recovery. It was no mere gentle recession. It was a depression that was masked by pumping it with more fiat currency and decreasing the value of the USD along the way. Do you really understand WHY you are now paying more at the pump for gas? This was the offset effect of printing money to pay our way out of depression. You are now paying for that at the pump every single time you refill your tank. This is because the PetroDollar was deflated, forcing oil prices UP. Meanwhile at home, you thought you were only dealing with recession. You were not. That was hidden from you like a game of Three Card Monte. You got stuck with higher gas prices in return for what appeared to be a more stable economy on the surface. This is why gas prices have not come down and they never will.

    U.S. credibility to manage its own affairs domestically was at an all time low and that was one of the primary reasons why it took so long for a full recovery. Wholesale Money was NOT flowing through the economy because banks were panicked - another primary reason why the recovery took so long. We are an economy that depends on Foreign Investments and as a direct result, when International TIC flows are reduced, our economy is reduced. That was another primary reason why the recovery took so long.

    All of the BS political crap that you believe because Fox News told you to believe it had nothing to do with WHY the economy took so long to recover. It was the shear inertial forces of $14 Trillion heading in the WRONG DIRECTION and confidence in the USD at extreme lows that caused the delay in a full recovery. Donald Trump, had not one thing to do with any of that - nor did he have one thing to do with the recovery, or the subsequent expansion cycle that ALWAYS comes after the contraction cycle. You had TRILLIONS of dollars waiting on the sidelines to come back into the US markets. THAT is where you get the boom seen today. It was pent up frustration in the form of foreign capital re-entering and banks that re-entered the "banking business" both abroad and here at home. The full recovery could not take place until BEBT got RESTRUCTURED around the world. THEN you got the boom. That took YEARS to complete. This had NOTHING to do with Donald Trump. Donald Trump, just happened to be in office at the peak of the boom.

    Trade Deals? The deal with Korea, did little to nothing worthwhile at all except raise the price for steel here at home and it killed our ability to pick up tariff revenues from Korea. And, Korea is threatening to blow a hole in the deal out of fear that it cannot trust Donald Trump, to keep his word. Some deal. He created a new Trade War with China, then declared "Herculean" success in a series of smaller deals that basically, once again, did very little for the US. Now, both sides are back to tossing Tariffs around as Weapons of Mass Destruction on each others economy. Surely, Donald Trump, has been an abysmal failure on Trade Deals with China. If you can point to a singular real accomplishment his administration has had in China on Trade, I'll eat my hat. Lastly, in meeting with the European Commission, Trump, did nothing but make more promises that he failed to deliver on. He then pimped-out his supporters once again by telling them that he just opened up markets to US Farmers. He lied through his teeth. There is no new whopping deal for US Farmers in the UK.

    Historic Trade Deals? What are you smoking?

    Lastly, in my business, I thrive in good, bad and ugly economies. I'm recession proof and if there is a depression, I'm guaranteed to do even better. The only way I can lose, is if all the world's currencies go away and a single global currency takes their place. Trump, won't have anything to do with my business.

    Find someone with integrity. He's not worth not being able to look yourself in the mirror.
     
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    Have you read the report? Do you know what's in it? Do you know what Trump did? Do you know how Trump behaved with respect to the investigation? Do you know what his campaign officials did with respect to the election and Russians? Are you offering facts taken from the Report, or your own opinion?
     
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    he didn't say that it actually said that in the report. primus epic was stating his opinion of the report. Please stop twisting his words.
     
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    sounds like you're getting a little testy there.
     
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    I made a post on it, and read nearly 300 pages.(I'm debating myself on whether or not I want to finish it). I'm taking my opinion, strengthened by the facts of the Report. The counsel could not find so much as a single criminal action by the President, instead it references to things that it feels are improper(but since they declined to challenge it in court, is irrelevant.)

    The reason they declined, is by their own statements that they struggled in various aspects to collect evidence to allow/enable them to make a determination. But even those statements by the Counsel on the president's actions are grossly weak.

    Ironically it is you who's opinion driven, not law/truth driven. I firmly believe if this case had ever gone to court, Trump would've won.
     
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    Democrats deserve to have the enrollment clause enforced.
     
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    Did Russia activate far left activism or did they inspire far right activism? Who was more active in turning a blind eye to Trump's body slam of Gold Star Families and Persons with Disabilities? How do you unite a country by pandering to racists? How do you unite a country by consistently lying to it?

    The touchdown in 911 was at Shanksville. Go listen to what the Mayor of Shanksville, tells you what he saw with his brother-in-law upon arrival at the alleged crash site. Go READ the FAA Radar track data on Flight 175 and compare it to the scramble orders out of Otis. Then ask yourself why would two F-15s be scrambled to an altitude and heading that would guarantee they never intercepted Flight 175 before striking the second tower. When you are done with that, go get your hands on the 18 video recordings showing what did hit the Pentagon on 911 and I'll eat my hat. Why? Because the FBI won't release those 18 videos claiming "national security concerns." What the hell could be more of a national security concern than actually seeing what did hit the Pentacon. Moreover, what the hell is the FBI doing confiscating 18 videos from private entities near the Pentacon anyway. What do private videos have to do with National Security Concerns. Lastly, how the hell does a guy who can't pilot a Cessna 172 weighing a mere 3,600lbs at barely 90kts, suddenly develop the skill, knowledge and expertise required to pilot a Boeing 757-200 weighing more than 200,000lbs at over 500kts.

    Wake up, please. Just please, wake up.
     
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    We're awake, no collusion and therefore there's nothing to obstruct. Hell, there's a total absence of a legal argument of what, who and how something was obstructed. If this excuse of a report was to make a criminal case, it's sorely lacking.
     
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    See, OP?
     
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    High Crimes and Misdemeanors is only half. Treason and Bribery, are the other two you left out. Now, define: Treason. Lastly, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. You should take the time to actually read Justice John Marshall's words on what "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" means relative to the United States Constitution. It is not as specific as you'd like it to be. Marshall, saw the need to remain flexible to the times, so that no President could escape impeachment merely because the definition was so narrow and the actions of the President were wider than the definition.
     
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    You read through the Report. Did you READ the Report? Who do you think you are discussion this matter with by the way. I'm just curious.
     
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    That has always been my problem with you fake Conservatives. You blowhard Republicans. That's why I don't support your Party. You're not real Republicans. You have no idea what being a Real Republican means. You don't know anything. You lack an education of your own History. You have integrity. No serious minded Republican would ever stand behind this man. He's wiping his feet all over your face and you like his boots on the way back up his trousers just before you unzip his fly and blow him off. He's a fool. Yet, he's got you wrapped around his jock strap like the toy you are. He's embarrassing you with every word he speaks in vain that you support in ignorance.

    Now, you don't care. I got that. You don't care about the Republic. You damn sure don't care about the Constitution. So, let me ask you: WHY are you here? Let me ask you another question: Have you READ the Report?


    No. That's not what I cared about. I cared about the Truth. If you've read any of my posts on this forum then you know that much. Anybody that's read my posts knows that much. I don't are about Republicans. I don't care about Democrats. I don't care about Liberals. I don't care about fake Conservatives. I don't care about the Left and I don't care about the Right. I care about preserving our Republic and our Constitution. I care about restoring the Old Republic and restoring the Old Organic Constitution. But, you wouldn't know anything about that - would you? You don't know that you are an Economic Slave living under a CORPORATION called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - do you? You have no idea that the original Constitution has been set aside in favor of the Corporate Bylaws of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - do you? You think the 16th Amendment was legally ratified - don't you?

    You are delusional. This is why you cannot see straight enough to get behind a different Republican Presidential Nominee. That's the right thing to do. But, no. You want to go around the country sucking Donald Trump's little Napoleon - don't you? You get off on sucking his Napoleon - don't you? That's why he can look you in the face at one of his Lunatic Rallies and lied to your eyeballs. You're right. You don't give damn. Quite honestly, I don't even know why you don't just move to Russia and get it over with.

    How about this paragraph:

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    Followed by this paragraph:

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    Really? And, you are willing to sell your soul down the river to back this man? Why? We can find a million other Republican Candidates for President that trump Trump. Why this dude?


    Is that with or without the help of Putin? I want to be clear on what your Campaign Strategy will be this time around. Will it be collusion, cooperation, knowledge of, complicit with, in coordination with, etc. Inquiring minds want to know. How will you get this broken man re-elected in 2020. He's a pathetic representation of what happens to person when they become a full blown Reprobate.


    Let me ask you another question: Do you have a college degree? Can you understand the fact that I did not vote for Donald J. Trump, nor did I vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton? Do you comprehend the fact that I saw NEITHER one of these two individuals as being Presidential? You sit here foaming at the mouth about how you support a man with no conscious and no integrity. He lies to you. He tells you things that are flat out untrue. You eat it up. Like Pavlov's Dogs, you bark gleefully at the mention of "fake new" - yet you refuse to recognize his false statements.

    The emperor hath no clothes. But, he has a lot of Political Prostitutes more than willing to pull down their own pants and take his Napoleon in the rear. How sad is that. That you can't see through this man, nor find a single replacement Candidate with ethics, morals, integrity, character, principles and priorities. THIS is WHY I won't support the Republican Party.
     
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    "There's no airplane. No airplane." - Mayor Shanksville, PA

    Wake Up.
     
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    It's quite clear Obama knew all about it.
     
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    The insatiable appetite for "criminality" is interesting. It seems as if some people are "ok" with Trump's campaign meeting in hotels with Russians for the express and sole purpose of toppling another American Presidential Candidate... just as long as no crime was committed in the process of doing so. Seems rather odd to me that criminal conduct sets aside "coordination," "foreknowledge," "planned meetings," "ongoing relationships," etc. What is collusion, if not those things in totality.


    They declined because the rules governing how Special Counsel should act restricted their actions. You are talking about indicting a sitting President. That's not something you take lightly and although there may be impeachable offenses clearly in play, indictments must come with prosecution and removal from office. That would be quite extreme. So, they left the matter open for the Congress to deal with in the area of impeachable offenses as opposed to criminal indictments.


    Not so ironically, you're incorrect. I'm under no obligation to remain unbiased anymore. I waited for the Report. I now have it. I have an opinion and it is based on my reading (thus far) of that Report. That Report, in my opinion, goes well beyond what Congress could use as impeachment material, if they truly wanted to. It is my estimate that the Democrats believe Donald Trump, is worth more to the Politically Alive than Political Dead through impeachment. So, they are going to keep him on life support until 2020, where they will attempt to pull the plug in November.

    Too much politics surrounds this entire nightmare and this is a major problem with America today. We have a massively corrupt President. A massively corrupt Administration. A delusional electorate. A broken Political System that cannot function day-to-day absent scandal and intrigue. A News Media that reports little to no news and hangs its hat on political propaganda. A divided country. A Constitution under attack. Traditional Families under attack. Moral decay. Ethical instability. Essentially, we are falling apart at the seams and nobody seems to care.

    Highway to hell.
     
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    Of course, he did. He was the outgoing President. I'm sure he was told about who was attempting to hack the elections.
     
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    Sorry, but tweets and... the IRA? (Isnt that a retirement account?) posting stuff on the internet is not even close to putting some meat in that nothing burger of a report.

    This is all just bullshit you're woofing, dude.
     
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    The only thing those still supporting impeachment(based on a document that has insufficient evidence on both counts of conspiracy and obstruction) will do is the following:

    -Republicans will regain the House
    -Trump will win a second term.

    The Administration is not corrupt, the administration has had to deal with undue insults to the President's name, as well as those who work with the administration. The corruption lies totally with the resistance. They tried to overthrow a sitting President of these United States.
     
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    The internet research agency. Reference to the Russian hacking indictment. Rosenstein himself released that document that stated no Americans participated in their schemes.
     
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    That just ignores reality. You are free to continue doing that, however. It won't solve the problem and make matters any better. Its a report of findings. It is not a prosecutors indictment and it says a lot about what this President and his campaign did that was utterly unacceptable. You cannot accept a Presidential Candidate willfully engaging in direct communications with Russians about tossing an election. You just can't do that:

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    You just can't be involved in this kind of stuff. This is not what America is supposed to be all about. This is dead wrong and you gotta own up to it. You cannot read this and conclude that there was no coordinated effort by the Trump Campaign to work with Russian influences.
     
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    Well whatever it is, I still haven't heard a tweet that might even begin to explain why the Mueller report is based on anything other than paranoia.

    Sorry, but its going to take a lot more than *well the IRA says there are some tweets*.
     
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    You are correct that the Establishment Dems are doing the political math and have figured out that impeaching the unindicted BLOTUS would be harmful to their chances in 2020 because it MIGHT generate sympathy for him. Instead they will do exactly what the GOP did to Hillary prior to 2016 and hold endless Congressional investigations that will expose the BLOTUS's lies and underhanded dealings. That way he will be a weakened candidate in 2020 thereby giving the Dems a better chance of retaking the Whitehouse.

    The BLOTUS has been a massive MOTIVATOR for the Dem electorate. Progressives have managed to win back 40% of the seats lost to the GOP since the BLOTUS was imposed in the Oval office. From a political perspective he has galvanized the Dem base to get off their asses and vote against him and the GOP nationwide.

    So when it comes to the report I agree that there is more than enough to impeach the BLOTUS and probably even more so when you get to the part where he is obstructing justice. However Barr did the Dems a favor by minimizing these High Crimes in the Mueller Report. Had he considered them to be impeachable the Dems would have been FORCED to impeach him and he would have been acquitted by the partisan Senate. That outcome would have demotivated the electorate and played into the hands of the GOP in 2020.

    Like you I am an Independent and my current choice is Andrew Yang since he has real solutions and has done the math to ensure that they are feasible. Given that he is an outsider his odds of even being on the ticket are slight but he is still the best the Dems have IMO. The GOP should push Kucinich to run in a Primary against the BLOTUS. He is enough of a centrist to actually win support from both sides and he is a PRAGMATIST who puts the nation ahead of party politics.

    Those should be our choices in 2020 and I am probably wrong about both of them.
     
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    Mass delusion and denial of both facts and reality for reasons I've already clearly outlined herein and throughout. You've got a White House Press Secretary caught lying. You've got a President caught lying so many times that nobody has the exact number number anymore. His lies are Legion. Undue insults? The man has insulted himself with the Legion of lies he tells. Calling the man out for his lies is not "resistance." Its... calling the man out for telling lies. Period. Tried to over-through a sitting President? What are you smoking? Can I have some? Please? Whatever it is, it must be good stuff.

    Come on. You can't be serious - can you?
     
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    Do they support the Second Amendment and the Life of the Unborn Child? Hell, I'll vote for anybody that does that except a pathological liar like Trump. I can work with them on the rest like foreign policy, economic policy, domestic policy, etc.

    A man has to have his litmus test, ya know. Guns and Babies. I love'em both. Hell, at least I'm honest about my test. ;) Bring me a President who will support Guns and Babies and I'm all the way in.

    Good night. Need to get some sleep. Reading this Report has been depressing. Seriously, I'm going to see my shrink in the morning.
     
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