Mueller: Russia sought to help Trump win but did not collude with campaign

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  1. TOG 6

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    Just giving you the opportunity to make it clear you know you cannot support your position.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Partisan desperation is the greatest of amusements.
     
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    I have read it..it is very important document. Redactions! hahahha that was the huge left wing discourse, division narrative for a few weeks....only to discover....there was "light" redactions. I don't think you'll like the conclusions of the report though...Putin didn't either
     
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    Pop culture references for those that support the pop culture president... thought it might help you complete the picture, but it appears I was wrong...

    Nevermind...
     
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    One more chance for you to prove you know you cannot support your position:
    How does knowing something might help you politically rise to the level of an impeachable offense, especially when you had nothing to do with it and it happened before you were elected to office?
     
  6. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but I am not as enlightened by junk TV shows as other members of our society. I like reading books, preferably non-fiction and historical works. I find that these sources are much better reference material than a made up TV show that does not have any basis of realism.
     
  7. Egoboy

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    Fine... I'll try once more to explain it to you... it's the last time though, so read slowly.

    I'll even use your own words in part

    "knowing something" - Knowing a foreign government is using stolen information to help you win an election and you don't notify the US authorities stinks to high heaven and is the epitome of an impeachable offense.. Of course, perhaps that's just my opinion at this time... Oh, actually its not, although others seem to be more focused on the obstruction part of the report, which is fine too.. Of the 2, I suppose the obstruction seems easier to work with, with so many examples, but some of the them can explained in other ways. The "knowing something" cannot.

    "having nothing to do with it" has nothing to do with it...

    And obviously it "happened before he was elected to office"... it's part of what helped him GET elected to office...

    I personally don't believe that your actions solely as president should be the standard for impeachment.... your actions (or inactions) during the campaign are equally important and shouldn't be exempt from scrutiny and punishment.

    There... that will have to do... I need to go read the full report now to see what Trump knew, and when he knew it...
     
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    You said that.
    You haven't explained how it is an impeachable offense.
    Mostly because you cannot.
     
  9. Egoboy

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    If you want to get technical, I'd go with this - Seems perfectly on point with

    §30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
    (a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for-

    (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

    (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

    (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

    (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


    (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

    This article is almost 2 years old and is referring to the Trump Tower meeting and not about stolen emails, but I think it's on point for that as well.

    https://news.stanford.edu/2017/07/1...s-parse-trump-campaign-russia-connection-law/
     
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    On what planet is a person knowing something will benefit them, even though it is from a crime, and that person had no involvement in the crime.....a crime itself? It is not even unethical. And who in the heck would they report it to?

    FBI: "Hello, this is the FBI. Can I help you"?
    Caller: "Yes, I would like to report a benefit from a crime committed by others".
    FBI: "Umm.....ok. What is the nature of this crime and the benefits".
    Caller: "Well, it is my understanding that Russians hacked the DNC servers and may be releasing data from that hack that will help my election campaign".
    FBI: "Well....this has never happened before. Are you saying you want us to investigate a crime you did not commit, but may benefit from".
    Caller: "Not only that, but the Russians claim they have dirt on my opponent that they will give me".
    FBI: "Did they give you this dirt"?
    Caller: "Well, no. It was actually a ruse to trick us to show up for a meeting on another issue".
    FBI: "Is this a prank"?
    Caller: "No....I'm serious".
    FBI: "Put your mother on the phone".
     
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    You literally just made this crap up. Obama spied on Trump. Hillary and the DNC used 3 foreign governments (Russia, Aussie, G.B) including the FBI/CIA/DOJ to construct a fake dossier to remove Trump from office.

    How are these not impeachable and indictable offenses?

    Try and read slowly, so you understand it.
     
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    :roflol: - Pure Gold!
     
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    Ironically many think Senfield was the greatest show on TV, much like many consider the current President
    like what British agent Michael Steele gave Clinton and the dnc???
     
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    Yes, when the FBI becomes the Maytag answer line, your scenario will work just fine...

    In the world of reality, you (Trump) contacts the head of the FBI or DOJ (Comey or Lynch) and you say exactly what you said in bold above... I don't know if the FBI could have done anything about it after the fact, but at least I would have done my duty as an American. Trump failed in that respect YUGELY, and in fact, made every effort to lie about it...
     
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    Your fallacious understanding of "thing of value" aside....
    The Russians broke this law?
    And so, Trump should be impeached?
    LOLOLOLOLOL

    How does Trump "accept" or -not- 'accept" whatever effect the Russian meddling may or may not have had when he has no participation in or control over any of it?
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
     
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    I'm glad you are laughing... laughter IS the best medicine...
     
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    There is not a single politician running for President....either for the next election or past elections....that would call the FBI and report that they may benefit from information being released and obtained by a crime. That is complete fantasy land material. You want to describe it as an "American duty", which is B.S......it is politics. Benefiting from a crime, when not being involve with the crime, IS NOT a crime itself. If this is the best reason for impeachment you can come up with, you will be waiting a looooong time before that impeachment day comes. Your stance is a joke.
     
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    So he colluded without colluding?


    And of course Russia helped Trump. Any same govt would help the candidate going agaisnt the one openly saying she wanted war with Russia.
     
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    You used to be interesting to debate, but now you are just rude... Welcome to ignore...
     
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    War with Russia? Was Romney running?
    One righty says she wants war another says she gave them uranium lol
     
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    Hahaha! Russia did not seek to help Trump win.
     
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    please....NO....not ignore!!! Anything but that. Oh....wait....it does not affect me one bit, so I really do not care. Carry on.
     
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    I see you, yet again, understand you cannot defend your position.
     
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    So you don’t believe the mueller report
     
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    No crime to obstruct

    You got nuthin’
     

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