Mueller's report looks bad for Obama

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a story you never will hear told by any Democrat. Nadler should investigate this. But who actually thinks he would?
     
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    I am afraid it has been relegated to the tin foil hat category, when IMO, it probably is the factual truth of the matter.

    It isn't like VIPS is comprised of crackpots, or partisan hacks. Most of them were democrats at least at one time, not sure of their party now. They are activists, being formed after the bad info that took us into Iraq. All are retired intel people, with Ray McGovern being a russian analyst for years. Binney helped to develop the cyber sleuthing at the NSA and knows his stuff. He was also a whistle blower.

    This is the group that said early in 2017, that it looked like a soft coup was in the process of being run against trump. And none of them like trump, but dislike the lies even more than they dislike trump. These men have proven honesty and integrity, unlike what we have seen in the top of the FBI, and the CIA. And I look for that and give it consideration, as any rational person would. I am not a partisan, and work hard to keep my own political views separate from perception and consideration of perception. I just don't think many people here can do that. IMO.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    Knew what?
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    No let's focus like a laser on what I asked you

    Bluesguy said:
    How do you prove he is innocent of obstruction and since when does the person have to prove their innocence ?
     
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    How does Trump prove he's innocent? Since when when the prosecutor can't find a crime does the person then has to prove they are innocent?
     
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    That is why the investigations continue.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    What did the servers the FBI had have to do with Russian meddling in the election and are you confirming that in fact the Russians did hack her private server where she stored highly classified information?
     
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    What's why what investigation continues? What crimes?
     
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    Trump should thank God that Bluesguy is not his lawyer.
     
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    Same sophomoric question that is a fake query. Meanwhile you dare not question corrupted Trump’s lies, deflections and cover ups or the fact that he has disrupted the lives and careers of honest decent people who wouldn't do his bidding. How you can support a mentally unbalanced president and the damage he is spreading is beyond me. The fact that he is the most investigated and corrupt president in history doesn’t faze you. Let me know when you want to ask a real adult question about your hero.
     
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    They had gained access in 2015, since the dnc didn’t know they likely had continuous access
     
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    No, the dnc servers
     
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    So, based on FACTS and APPLICABLE LEGAL STANDARDS, Trump didn't not commit obstruction of justice.

    Please tell me if there is another way to charge Trump for obstruction of justice that doesn't use FACTS and APPLICABLE LEGAL STANDARDS????

    Hello! Anybody home????
     
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    Use the wrong postl
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    In you're case the lights are on but nobody's home. You're simply parroting the words of Trump's hack-lackey Barr. Hack-Lackey himself purposely twisted Mueller's words and completely distorted his report's meaning during his initial summary.
    "Barr: stated in his corrupted version of Muellers Report ‘that while this report does not conclude the President committed a crime It also does not exonerate him. But Barr deliberately ignored the two sentences before that line.
    "If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice we would say so. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgement. A thorough FBI investigation would have uncovered facts about the campaign and the President personally that the president could have understood to be crimes or that would have risen to personnel and considerable concern." Mueller also said:
    "With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.
    Hack-Barr back in June sent unsolicited letters to the Whitehouse assuring Trump that he had nothing to worry about regarding the Mueller report. Your post is pure ignorance. Here we have the case of a corrupt president choosing a questionable AG who is willing to play ball with him. One part of the executive branch helping out another part of the executive branch. This is your idea of justice. But sadly for you this is far from over. Trump will suffer one way or another for his wayward behavior.
     
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    Yes, hopefully the DOJ will investigate what the Obama Administratio Did prior to the Election to makes sure 1. Trump was not elected, 2. If he was elected they could tie up the Presidency with an investigation and continual attacks.

    Clinton and the Obama Administration should be investigated.
     
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    Did they hack ballot boxes?
     
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    Meanwhile the dnc said nothing about Ukraine. They were cool with the status quo. Meanwhile trump actually arms them and helps them defend against putin. This is a president that is not more flexible
     
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    If they had, Donald Trump would have won the popular vote as well.
     
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    No, the Trumpster excuse has always gone like this:

    “Investigations don’t matter. Trump’s open disloyalty, his enthusiasm for getting help from the Russians, his knowledge of Russian intelligence attacks against the United States, his obvious eagerness to profit from them, and his equally obvious willingness to give the Russians what they want don’t matter.

    As long as you attack the investigation itself, you have a ready made excuse for ignoring the facts regarding their fuhrer.

    The Trump White House set up this meme the night they had Devin Nunes rush to the White House to tell Trump (and the television cameras) what Trump had given him to make a show of rushing off to Fox land to “reveal”.

    And the Trumpsters have clung to this idiotic kibuki like a security blanket ever since.
     
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    They needed those too but that hack didn't occur until what 2017?
     
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    Instead of posting you hubris try answering the salient question I asked. Mueller said they could not find evidence to charge Trump with obstruction but that does not mean they proved he was innocent.

    That begs the questions
    How does Trump prove he's innocent? Since when, when the prosecutor can't find a crime, does the person then has to prove they are innocent?
     
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    Legitimately pointing out that your posts deliberately avoid the truth about Trumps lies, corruptions. cover ups and investigations is not hubris. Apparently you don't understand how the word is used. Instead you ask the same sophomoric question that is a fake query. You deliberately avoid the fact that he has disrupted the lives and careers of honest decent people who wouldn't do his bidding. Your posts deliberately fail to ask the real questions regarding the fact that Trump is facing countless investigations both in Congress and outside of Congress and that he is the most investigated president in history. How you can support a mentally unbalanced president and the damage he is spreading is beyond me. . .

    Notice how you twist Mueller's words by omitting the other more key statements from his report about obstruction. Pure propaganda in the service of your hero.

    .There you go again failing to ask the real tough questions about Trump dragging this country through his immoral illicit and corrupted practices. Let me know when you want to ask a real question.
     
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    He clearly has you stumped ;)
     
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    And he asked a straight out question and all you've done here is stone wall with a bunch of ridiculous spin ;)
     

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