Death for Atheists and Democrats

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will show a video by a man named Howard Storm. He is one of thousands who have similar reports. Been a long term Atheist and now is a Jesus follower. This has lessons for all of us. Tell me what your lesson is. Do you have one or are you still devoted to life in the deep darkness upon death?

     
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    Near death experiences seem very convincing initially. However, when you do more digging, there are some problem. For example, the vast majority of people who medically die don't recall any near death experiences, and the majority of those with near death experiences don't have the religious ones Christians point to. People with near death experiences report conflicting religions in the after-life, report conflicting versions of God, and conflicting versions of Jesus. Many with near death experiences make claims about what they saw in the emergency rooms that are easily refuted. Others who make these claims about what they saw during the surgery, on further investigation it is found that they could have found that out without the real NDE. Many of the components of the NDEs can easily be explained by brain trauma near death that causes hallucinations and some of these can happen without actually being near death. Here is a great source for learning more.
    https://infidels.org/library/modern/keith_augustine/HNDEs.html
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem very devoted to the Atheist death.

    Why not do more checking into NDE? Look at this for instance.

     
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    I actually spent a lot of time researching NDEs. When I was religious, it was one of my biggest reasons for believing in God. I looked into both sides of the argument and found that there are some very strong counter-arguments that there isn't any clear strong evidence NDEs are supernatural.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My biggest reason for believing in GOD has nothing to do with religion nor books.
    It is the entire spectrum of the universe.

    For it all to self create is so mind boggling with no bible in sight, I believe that GOD is the master creator.

    But this is Betty Eadie

     
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    The choice is simple, do you believe in magic or not.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What drilled the holes into the coffin for me was the universe being created. We should be able to observe creations of universes and scientifically explain how, were it not GOD.
     
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    Why should we be able to observe and explain the creation of universes?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rather, why not?
     
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    Because we do not understand everything, nor should we expect to, as our knowledge grows we may one day be able to answer such questions. Until then to simply say a god did it is the "god of the gaps" fallacy. If we are seeking truth then the only honest answer is we do not know.
     
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    And therein lies the core of your belief....the ability to accept the unlikely while ignoring the obvious.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To put this into context, I am positive you are aware of a number of things I will speak of.
    1. Incredible velocity of the Sun through space. The rotation of the surface of the sun that rotates 4 times slower than the core rotates.

    Can you see GOD creating the Sun or is it your belief that from nothing, the hot rotating sun simply appeared?
     
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    If you will feel a lot better, let's be at the hypothesis stage. So we are free to explore our own mind.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm_(author)

    Well imagine that. :rolleyes:

    I wonder how much he has made off of his book.

    same link

    Imagine that.
     
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    Howard Storm spent most of his life as a devoted Atheist. Personal experience debunked his past beliefs.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe in Magic

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everything is alright

     
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    Ok, so what we have here is a guy who claimed to be an atheist, got ill after a really good night out in Paris, did not die (he accepts that himself, there was no medical evidence he died), was saved by the wonders of medical science, but claimed "god did it" and wrote a book earning lots of money about his conversion!
     
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    He gave a very good description. Bear in mind how hard it is to explain this to an atheist. They live a life not believing.
     
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    I have had countless more NDE (using his criteria) the last one two weeks ago when I had a heart attack, there were some pretty powerful dreams, but that is all, just dreams brought on by the stress of being so ill. Hopefully the one about Wales winning the rugby world cup was a premonition!
     
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    Nobody here is going to watch an almost two hour video of someone talking about himself so you’re going to have to give a bit more of a specific basis for exactly what you’d like to discuss here.

    Based on what I read about the guy, he had a very simple NDE and happened to become Christian. Loads of people have all sorts of personal experiences which shift their perceptions of existence and can lead them to gaining, losing or changing faith. You implication seems to be that NDEs are somehow evidence of the specific religion you happen to believing in but nothing you’ve presented and nothing else I’ve seen supports that idea in any way at all.

    Your passive aggressive insulting of anyone who doesn’t rake the same conclusion as you doesn’t encourage rational and respectful discussion either. I’d honestly suggest dropping this and trying again if you really have a topic you’d like to discuss.
     
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    Sorry to hear that.

    If England don't win the World Cup there can be no stronger evidence that there is no God.
     
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