Last remaining Far-Right groups banned from Social Media.

It's very difficult to comprehend that our free speech was and is secured by the blood and immeasurable toil of American soldiers.

 

Today’s liberals are actually illiberal.

 

FWIW, it can also be censored by authoritarian rule backed by the military, which is what took place in various dictatorships in different countries.

 

Your right to free speech is only a right to say what you want. It has nothing to do with truth. The US denies people this right through it's courts. The UK denies this right through hate speech which I realise is being abused at the moment to stop criticism of Israel in just the same way as your courts stop you, for instance re BDS. I remember when they were talking about whether the US will get Assange. They were saying that the free speech argument would likely not save him here but if it was fought on Political freedom he likely would win.

 

An overdue measure ... which, of course, is referred to by the corresponding clientele as censorship and violation of Freedom of Speech .... or even by the hardcore "Pro Freedom of Speech" actors, who are themselves Dr. med. Goebbels of the Nazis would give this right without restriction.

 

Unfortunately, I have to partially contradict you here ...

It is true that, unfortunately, often a misuse happens when, for example, legitimate criticism of the State of Israel and its actions as anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish assessed and treated.

But there are countries, for example my country - Germany - which has learned from bad experiences in own history, and where there is an offense of anti-constitutionality, which is not covered by the constitutional right to "Freedom of Speech"! This is called an inwardly defensive democracy and constitutional state.
In short, if people, parties, groups, etc., want to abuse their right to "Freedom of Speech" to act against the Constitution (and the spoken / written word is also an action!) then they are liable to prosecution!
And as for "hate speech", here in my country we have the unchangeable and eternally valid Article 1 of the Constitution: "The dignity of man is inviolable!". Inviolable dignity means that every person, no matter what their origin, religion and skin color has the same dignity. Anyone who now thinks he is allowed to publicly propagate racist remarks under the guise of "Freedom of Speech" is mistaken, and also makes himself manageable, because he infringes precisely the dignity of another!

Another point is that in my country and also in many other countries the offense of the insult and also the offense of slander exists. So if people think, freedom of speech allow them to do this, they are also punishable.

Of course this is considered by some to be evil censorship, but I do not see it that way!
Freedom of Speech as a right is of fundamental importance, but if this right or any other constitutional right is misused to the detriment of others, then it must and must have its limits and consequences!

 

I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. As you will see throughout this thread I don't have a problem with the groups which are banned in particular Britain First. The BNP is a political party so that is different. As it went on I realised that where Britain may curtail rights to some extent on what people say, not allowing them to incite hate or violence, I believe we have more political rights than the US. However it then dawned on me something which I have complained about a lot in other places is that at the current point in time, censorship, banning people from parties, taking away their right to speech is being horrendously abused in the UK with the determination to not allow a Corbyn Government to come into being. They are using antisemitism because unlike in the US our courts have so far not allowed them to find anyone guilty of a crime in connection of BDS. Clearly Corbyn is not wanted into Government because he cares about the rights of the Palestinians. For some reason they continue to get away with this. Indeed it seems to be getting worse and worse - no doubt because Corbyn thought if he pacified them that would work. They no longer try taking people or issues to our courts because they believe they will rule against them. That is, it is one thing taking someone to court for trying to incite hatred of violence, quite another trying in democracy to take away their right to free political thought including engaging in BDS.

I hope that is clearer now.

 

Yep ... it is

 

Not sure why anyone thinks this is a free speech issue, Facebook and other Social Media groups have a right to withdraw their services to who they please.

 

The alternative would have been Salvador Allende, whom Pinochet murdered. Allende had been doing such totalitarian things as releasing huge numbers of political prisoners. He practiced the same sort of "socialism" as North Vietnam does now.

 

Allende committed suicide. .

 

So was said

 

By Ricardo Lagos.

 

Thank you.
As just one of America's many veterans who has made sacrifices to preserve free speech, I strongly resent those who would steal it from us to either repress ideas or impose totalitarian censorship laws.
Free speech is valueless to those who have never had it or those who have simply been handed that precious American right.
Once free speech is stolen from us through the insidious means by which most freedoms are stolen, it can never be recovered.

 

Not quite mate .... at least not everywhere and legally unclear. Take these often idiotic lawsuits in the US, if any shopkeeper, hairdresser, bar owner, etc., thinks he can choose customers ... so to nethen who he serves as a customer, etc. and who does not and accordingly denies his service, etc.

Supposedly ... or indeed ... but that does not matter, because Allende would not have survived the whole thing one way or the other.

 

That sounds a lot like 'Hate Speech'. You could be arrested for that should your ideas be enacted..

 

Leftists have hijacked the traditional liberal values just as they've done with the Democratic Party. It's now the Republicans who support ideals like free speech.

 

Yes I don't mind using what some might deem hate speech against those who spout hate speech, especially when they start whining about it because it exposes them to be the massive snowflakes pukes they truly are.

Today a man in russia was fined some $600 for calling Putin a "fantasical Fxxxhead". Can trump's america be far behind?

 

True. Republicans, regardless their human faults and shortcomings, have for the most part, held to to traditional American values.

 

Those who hate Donald Trump and consider themselves to be part of the resistance had better hope the united states is very far behind. Otherwise the resistance will soon be driven broke in response.

 

Nah, ya can't insult somebody with the truth. He may not be a fantastical fxxxhead, but he sure is an orange bloviating ************ buffoon.

 

yeah like grabbin' a little snatch.

 

Members of my family were arrested under Allende, for the simple cause of land ownership. A couple of them were never heard of again.
Some of the were arrested under Pinochet, because they had left views and supported Allende, they vanished, too.
I had a very interesting conversation at the most remote place imaginable, a boarder town, high in the Andes, between Chile and Bolivia.
I had dinner with 2 Chileanians. One was in exile, Pinochet, a ardent supporter of Allende and the other was a Pinochet supporter, a traveling sales man.
It was fascinating, to listen to them and how civilized they were, despite them having members of their families vanish, had to go underground or into exile. I just had spent time in the South with my family and heard their stories.
When they asked me, I just told them story of my families I had visited.
They were just sad, very sad, what had happened to their country. No hate, just true sadness.
I was just a 28 years old kid, but I will never forget, how those Man, behaved with each other, a great lesson.
The End of the world, the so called **** holes, can teach great lessons in humanity.

 

Projecting again ???

 

So a private joke by one justifies a public threat to the constitution by another? That's a topsy turvy way of leveling the field.