Just how intelligent are Trump supporters?

Obama added millions of poor and/or unhealthy folks to the medical care system with predictable results. it was easy to see coming as Obama cuts deals, one after another, with the Usual Suspects--doctors, Big Pharma, insurers, etc.--so costs were never cut.

Obama talked about cutting costs, too. I'd like to see someone walk the talk.

Correct. But Social Security isn't much of a problem.

 

Thanks for the graph. Interesting projections under current law. The non SS part is disturbing. Can you imagine what it will look like after 8 years of Bernie and 4 of AOC? Can anyone say “hockey stick”...

At that point it won’t even matter.

 

Given my age (senior), I won't be here for the fun.

My concern about these types centers more around the damage they are likely to do to the economy. Sanders models northern European countries, but doesn't seem aware they make sure business sees their countries as a good place to invest. Ocasio-Cortez majored in international relations and economics. As an economist, it's hard to believe anyone who pushes her views has training in economics and I'm left with the impression she's a demagogue.

 

Well, we know one thing about Trump. Our esteemed President did not know the Supreme Court has nothing to do with impeachment other than providing a judge in the Senate trial.

It's hard to believe the utter stupidity of this man. He knows nothing about our government, and he lies like a rug.

 

Although he is a diehard Trump fan, he refuses to defend Trump from criticism.

Robert, what part of that sentence don't you understand?

 

I have defended Trump. I use facts in fact. When do your facts start?

Please, the goal posts are juggled all the time, so please do not keep moving them.

Today i defended Trump from claims he said Muslims in a speech when i produced proof he said people!!!!!

 

It is plain not true that Trump can't launch a suit to be heard by the Supreme Court over impeachment.

In the wording of the constitution it does not say you will impeach presidents when in a political snit over a report given to the AG.

 

At issue today is executive privilege and Trump's position that he will refuse all access to White House documents, staffers, and former staffers (McGahn, for example). That access is being submitted by a co-equal branch of our government. The question becomes, can Trump hide from our representatives in Congress?

He can try, but it is political suicide. So is hiding from Americans. The White House has not had a press conference in 48 days. In the 28 months of his Presidency, Trump has held two press conferences. Both were utter disasters and it is expected he will not hold another. A secret Presidency is also political suicide.

Also, he is destined to lose in the courts. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this issue in United States v. Nixon.

Trump has asserted a generalized need for confidentiality. In other words, he is banning everything -- he even said so -- as opposed to forbidding access to a specific document or the testimony of a specific White House staffer or former staffer. In U.S. vs. Nixon, the Court ruled "because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence.

So, Trump can try, but all he is doing is delaying the inevitable and that will become a political liability in an election year as slowly, but surely, the courts will rule against him.

Trump can't use executive privilege to obstruct justice where he is the subject of the investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege#United_States_v._Nixon

 

Trump continues to make the press the enemy. That is an extremely dumb move that is enjoyed only by his diminishing base. Trump still hasn't figured out that one can't win elections with 35% percent supporter.

Trump will skip the White House correspondents’ dinner for a third straight year, opting to hold a rally in Wisconsin instead on Saturday night. He also has directed other administration officials not to attend.

Everyone goes the dinner to have a good time. Many can still recall the skit between George W. Bush and his doppelganger, Steve Bridges. I have recorded that skit for posterity. Geez, it's funny.

It says a great deal about Trump when he makes this statement, "The correspondents’ dinner is too negative. I like positive things," Trump said earlier this month in explaining his decision.

He later characterized the press as “the enemy of the people” on Twitter.

Presidents traditionally are not happy being questioned by the press, but the free press is essential to any democracy. Making the press out to be the "enemy of the people" is a serious miscalculation and politically self-destructive.

The press has far more influence on how Americans think then the White House, which is closing itself off to the American people. Making the press the enemy is not very bright.

 

Has anyone noticed?

The only one talking for the White House is Trump. Sanders doesn't count because her brain is fused with Trump's, which would explain why she is just as much a prolific liar as Trump is. Also, interviews on the Trump Network -- er, Fox News -- don't count either because they are scripted and approved by the White House. Congressional hearings don't count, either, because the staffer presence is required.

I am talking about your day in, day out, regular news fare. The only one we hear from is Trump. There is not a peep out of SecState Pompeo as Kim is sabre rattling and having summits with Vladimir Putin. Nothing from NSA Bolton. Our national security may be at issue, but chief what's his name at DHS is silent as a mouse. Probably doesn't want to get fired like his predecessor. We haven't heard a word from CIA director Haspel in a year. Most probably didn't even know her name.

So, what seems to be the problem? Doesn't Trump trust his closest advisors to speak for the White House? It would seem so.

I speak from the standpoint of someone who watches, at a minimum, of three hours of news a day, including an hour of Fox a day as well as ABC, and CNN. Maybe I missed a story or two, but that is my general observation and I don't think it is wrong.

 

Trump's fans have given up again. They never want to talk about Trump, and, as anyone can see, they can't defend Trump. They don't know why they like Trump except, possibly, they enjoy the chaos they have created in Washington.

One thing is for sure. Even they know Trump is an idiot. That's why they won't defend him.

 

Thank you Sandy, watching the alt-left struggle with the Trump presidency has been greatly entertaining.
BTW, anyone who watches a minimum of three hours of "news" per day, confirms my suspicions.
Addressing your continual comments that people don't defend President Trump, for your entertainment, here is his rally in Green Bay last night. No defence needed and I am sure you will agree.

 

What are we supposed to defend today Sandy? Some of us have a life beyond hate for politicians. He did speak at the NRA convention I heard. I admire that. Definitely a positive thing. Something a patriot would do. Carry on.

Oh, what exactly was the point of quoting my response to Langley Man? Of course I could ask the same question about most of your posts.

 

What's your problem with him playing a poker game?

 

Could be because I was addressing someone else about their post, not catering to a TDS sufferers fantasy wishes.

 

He’s really having to branch out to keep the hate alive. I can’t see wasting your life on any politician. One you love or one you hate. Frankly it baffles me.

 

And they are?

It would be appropriate if you would say there is something wrong with a person who wants to be informed and know what is going on around him. Is that what you are saying. Your posts indicate that.

You don't defend Trump. Ever.

I'm glad you brought up Green Bay. Here is some of what Trump said.

Most of the statements he made last night in Green Bay were either lies or theater.

For example, this was Trump at his best. He accused Democrats—particularly Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers—of killing babies. Not only that, but mothers conspire with their doctors to “execute” newborns with the help of the Democrats. This is Donald Trump’s—and the Republican Party’s—new sick fantasy.

Trump said Evers "shockingly stated that he will veto legislation that protects Wisconsin babies born alive."

"The baby is born," Trump said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so."

Those are the words of a very sick President.

You are not very well informed or you never would have brought up Green Bay. He talked mostly about our great economy. Trump has done nothing for our great economy, not a damn thing.

 

You blame criticism of Trump on hatred. That is an excuse for being totally incapable of defending Trump from the criticism. Not once have you supported your hero. You give excuses and attack the critic instead.

 

It is a natural assumption that you joined a discussion group to discuss. A part of every political discussion group is defending one's political beliefs against those who feel differently. Otherwise, why are you here?

However, in the case of Trump, you and the rest of his fans can't do that. Trump is that bad. I just find that interesting.

I am glad you enjoyed Trump's NRA speech, but Trump is a coward. He's great standing before his adoring admirers and performing, most of it fantasy, most of it bragging about an economy he has done nothing for.

But he won't face those who can question his statements, the White House press corps. The White House hasn't held a press conference in 49 days. In 28 months, Trump has held only two press conferences, and both were disasters. It is expected that he will not hold another. His idea of a news conference is answering softball questions from friendly reporters on the White House lawn. Marine One is churning away in the background, so he and the reporters have to shout.

Your boy is a coward.

 

Sandy I’ve responded many times to your posts over the last few months with concrete reasons I support Trump. Are you delusional?

 

Sorry Sandy, I can't tell you what I really think as I would get kicked off this forum. Suffice to say I keep a handful of alt-lefties around for entertainment.

 

Yes you’re becoming delusional. If you paid any attention to anything political outside of Trump, Trump, Trump you would see I’m pretty engaged with sharing and debating political opinions here. You should get out more and broaden your horizons.

Going to NRA in this day in age is not behavior of a coward. It takes balls. But I didn’t listen to the speech, did you?

Oh, and since your memory seems to be completely gone Trump isn’t my hero he’s my employee.

 

You blame criticism of Trump on hatred. That is an excuse for being totally incapable of defending Trump from the criticism.

Get it now? Geez!

 

The Times reports, "First came Joe Biden’s campaign announcement video highlighting President Trump’s “very fine people on both sides” comment about the 2017 white-nationalist rally in Charlottesville that left a counterprotester dead.

"Then Trump dug in, arguing that he was referring not to the self-professed neo-Nazi marchers, but to those who had opposed the removal of a statue of the “great” Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

"Less than 24 hours later came another act of violence described by authorities as a hate crime: Saturday’s shooting at a synagogue in Poway, Calif., in which a gunman killed one person and injured three others.

"Those events have pushed the rising tide of white nationalism to the forefront of the 2020 presidential campaign, putting Trump on the defensive and prompting even some Republicans to acknowledge that the president is taking a political risk by continuing to stand by his Charlottesville comments."

“The president’s handling of Charlottesville was not one of the finer moments of his time in office,” Republican strategist Ryan Williams said. “He shouldn’t take Joe Biden’s bait and re-litigate this controversy.”
"

 

No Sandy, I will never understand your obsession with this president.