Donald Trump: Spying on My Campaign ‘Bigger than Watergate’

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    EDIT - Forgot to mention, while I know it's considered common knowledge that Crossfire Hurricane officially began with the Papa story, I'm pretty sure the FBI got woke to a potential problem with Trump the minute a known dirtbag like Paul Manafort joined the campaign in March.. In my head, that's when the feces started heading towards the air moving device...
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    What Obama did was worse then Nixon. This was a modern day break in , and as we know from clapper Obama himself ordered it. Nixon never ordered the break in
     
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    “Did not just about everybody in Trump's orbit have multiple contacts with Russians”

    Well at least one “Russian” worked for Fusion GPS got denied a visa then got a special visa oh and she met Fusion GPS the day before and the day after the Trump tower meeting.......
     
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    “According to the Times, the FBI decided to look into whether Papadopoulos had Russian contacts. During the investigation, the agency decided to also look into Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Carter Page. The FBI then had Cambridge professor Stefan A. Halper, reportedly a longtime informant, reach out to Papadopoulos to set up a meeting in London to discuss a Mediterranean natural gas project. The FBI also sent along a trained agent, who had given her name as Azra Turk, to pose as Halper’s assistant. The two were meant to quiz Papadopoulos about any connection between the campaign and Russia, and Turk also met with Papadopoulos separately for drinks.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate....george-papadopoulos-trump-campaign-russia.amp

    So fbi was seriously alarmed about the readily apparent Russian ties but none of the people they spied on were charged with anything related to Russian. Page got nothing and George P. got 14 days for making a false statement lol and you really think everything was on the up and up
     
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    Barr said that it happened. So who are you going to believe; leftist media outlets and leftist politicians who are KNOWN to have LIED about Trump/Russia collusion for about three years or Barr? On the other hand since the Leftist paper of record The NYT just admitted that there was actually spying on Trump, perhaps a leftist could trust that outlet . . . just . . . this . . . once.
     
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    I think you're missing two points I made. One, being that the meeting where the FBI sent a 'spy' happened after the diplomat contacted the Feds when he realized Papadopolous was right when he told him Russia hacked democrat emails before they were actually released, not before.

    Two being, you don't think the Feds should look into Papadopolous and Trump campaign after receiving that information from the diplomat?

    And no, no one was charged with collusion but for Trump supporters to act like the whole investigation was a 'nothingburger' and a 'witch hunt' is crap. They had a lot of shady contacts with Russians and they lied and covered up those meetings and contacts. They 'colluded' in that they took and readily sought damaging information to a political opponent from a hostile foreign nation and then covered up, even if they didn't directly assist with those operations that got the damaging information. Yes I agree that doesn't amount to a crime or conspiracy but again my issue is that Trump supporters act like there was nothing to see here, when there certainly was.

    Add to that minor things like Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with a Russian with ties to GRU....shady ****. Who knows what the agent did that information and if it helped Russians target certain demographics in their social media trolling/misinformation campaign.
     
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    Watergate on steroids.
     
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    Personally Politicians trying to get away with as much as possible isn’t really that shocking to me. What’s really scary is the media giving cover for it
     
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    “One, being that the meeting where the FBI sent a 'spy' happened after the diplomat contacted the Feds when he realizedPapadopolous was right when he told him Russia hacked democrat emails before they were actually released, not before.”

    I guess you should get ahold of slate since it’s their article and they state otherwise

    Does the risk of unproven (still to this day) allegations of collusion outweigh the optics and potential government overreach in surveillance on a candidate running for president on unsubstantiated allegations

    Also I love the downplaying of the phrase witch-hunt lol wanna look up video during Obama’s admin where every other democrat was saying that same phrase?
     
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    Obama spied. Transparency and accountability died.
     
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    Barr’s already proven himself a liar.
     
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    Let us see. Obama's administration was the most scandal free of the past 50 years. Yet conservatives want to pretend Obama was worse than Nixon
     
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    This scandal is just coming to light.
     
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    Another Republican fabricated scandal. You must feel so proud to be a Republican.
     
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    The NY Times is the one that reported it
     
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    This nothing new. It has been public knowledge for quite some time. The investigations into Trump began because seemingly everyone around him was having contacts with Russians. Why is it, do you think, that conservatives, have become so Russia friendly? What happened to, "Better red than dead"?
     
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    Cool Tom since you're all good with it I guess Trump can now turn his intelligent services onto the 20 dem candidates. I guarantee you they've all talked to someone from a foreign country and even a Russian from time to time. Set up the wiretaps and start infiltrating the campaigns since it's no big deal and all. Oh and the beauty your side thinks it's perfectly legal.
     
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    Read the time article they put the spy in well before anyone spoke with any Russian
     
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    Corrupt is corrupt. I can't imagine a career law enforcement officer, taking a look and not being suspicious.
     
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    There is nothing suspicious about talking to foreigners
     
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    They aren't the only ones.

    Its beginning to look a lot like Watergate.
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    Please direct me to or copy the information which states that this was happening before the Intelligence the diplomat provided.

    Collusion and how you define it involves a ton of semantics. They 'colluded' in that they were in contact and worked with a foreign adversary where the solicited to receive dirt on a political opponent and then cover up those contacts. Does that amount to a criminal conspiracy?, no. That I agree with. And again the Manafort/Rick Gates sharing internal battleground data and once again trying to cover up those communications is very suspect as well.

    I have no idea what you're talking about here....
     
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    Well a couple of points....1) He was told by an Italian Counter Intelligent officer, Joseph Mifsud, that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton 2) nothing about the DNC 3) the DNC server isn't "our infrstructure" they are a private organization, that was warned, a long with the RNC, and other political groups, that foreigners were hacking, and decided not to do anything to upgrade their cyber security.4) there is no evidence he did more then hear the guy, and attempted a couple times to set up a meeting with Mifsud and campaign official that never happened. 5) he did repeat the story, to a number of people outside the campaign. At the time this happened, he'd been working for the campaign for about a month. 6) there is no evidence that he actually shared with the campaign that Mifsud said the Russians had dirt (according to Mueller, Mueller Report, page 92-93 Vol 1)
     
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    1) Mifsud is a Russian agent. And reading between the lines it's pretty clear he informed Papadopolous that they had her emails.

    2) Again, this is pedantry. He was informed that her emails had been hacked.

    3) irrelevant, they intruded on various computer systems in the US to harm the election.

    4) I have no idea what your point is. Yes, he tried to arrange meetings to get further dirt from the Russians including with Olga Vinogradova who he believed was Putin's niece. Then lied about all of this to the FBI.

    5) ...and...? Trump and his supporters call him 'Coffee Boy' to downplay him, yet he was a major player in the coordination between Russia and Trump campaign.

    6) I don't care. The campaign found out somehow. See: Trump Tower Meeting.
     

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