Oh look....another 'going nowhere' abortion Thread! Fair dinkum.......is there not a trash bin here for these repetitive dead end Threads?
Dear @Derideo_Te I respect your equal rights to your beliefs and to be protected from anyone abusing govt to establish their own. But by the same respect for religious freedom, that same limit on govt applies to your beliefs as well! In order to be fair, equally inclusive and representative of ALL people of ALL beliefs, whether for or against the women's rights or the unborn or both equally etc, govt should remain NEUTRAL and neither establish or prohibit beliefs or biases in laws that discriminate against one belief or another, including yours or opponents. Would you agree to keep your beliefs about this out of govt if the other opposing groups agreed to the same? Wouldn't that be the most fair approach in order to respect Constitutional equal protection of laws and due process from discrimination by creed favoring any one sides' beliefs over others?
Actually there is. Curiously enough it is called the Abortion forum. Unfortunately the fundamentalist zealots have decided that now is the time to overturn RvW which means that abortion has become a Current Event and US News so these threads are littering those forums. You are just going to have to be patient and wait for the furor to die down and the topic will return to it's obscure corner around the back where it belongs.
Dear Emily, Constitutional RIGHTS are matters of LAW, not beliefs! That is why there is a SEPARATION of Church and State clause that upholds the right of Freedom FROM Religion which means that those who have theist beliefs are not allowed to IMPOSE them on those who do NOT share those beliefs. Why must a Hindu, Shintoist or Atheist be FORCED to abide by the BELIEFS of fundamentalist Christian zealots? This is NOT a matter for debate since it is one of the founding principles of our nation. There can be NO freedom OF religion WITHOUT freedom FROM religion. No one is forcing those who oppose abortions to have one. Women have the FREEDOM to CHOOSE whether or not to terminate their pregnancy. NO ONE ELSE gets to IMPOSE on women and DEMAND that they MUST ABIDE by the theist BELIEFS of any particular religion.
Post 105 totally evaded the points made in post 103. I could have told her she faced the strange dancing by zealots.
Watch out I am about to start another one and it might just look at the whole issue in a brand new light
Then let me make is simple for you, you said children don't have the same rights as adults. There is only one right we are talking about here and that is the right to live.
Obviously you missed the point ENTIRELY! Get back to me when you have figured out the DIFFERENCE between the rights of adults and children.
Like a neonate is a potential adolescent? They're different stages of development of the same being, in this case human
FoxHastings said: ↑ The fetus has NO rights...it has protection after 23 weeks...NOT rights. Yes, unfortunately MORE rights than anyone else, including the woman it's in ….It's a SUPER PERSON!!!!! No, because fetuses NEVER HAD RIGHTS..
I think it is best resolved at the state level. Keep the feds out of it. I think abortion is murder but i don't want to legally force my views on on the whole country. I think the pro abortion folks, if they want it to be called settled law, need to push for a constitutional ammendment establishing a woman's constitutional right to abortion instead of just a precarious legal right to an abortion.
A fetus has limited protection but no rights. The new laws on abortion simply are not worth the paper on which they are written.
The SCOTUS RvW decision established that abortion is a right under the FEDERAL Constitution. No Amendment is needed. States do NOT have the right to defy the federal Constitution.
Politicians inflicting unwanted children upon females is a repugnant notion. Most folks prefer to feel wanted rather than the forced consequence of State coercion. Until a viable person has developed during gestation, politicians - and especially those who would force 12-year-old rape victims to submit to their demands - should not be permitted to seize control. Before such viability, a girl or women has the right to control her own body with the advice of medical and spiritual advisers, trusted friends and family, rather than submit to the will of Washington bureaucrats.
They're every bit as legitimate as DNC sanctuary laws. If a state wants to grant asylum to fetuses that's their choice.
That is a flat out mischaracterization of the issues. If a woman chooses to have sex one of the risks is getting pregnant. If a baby is unwanted then dint have sex! Blaming politicians for "forcing" women to do anything is a full on flat out lie. That's like saying if a guy climbs a mountain and falls off a cliff and breaks his leg the government owes him an unbroken leg.
Gun control laws." Shall not be infringed " Thats the same as saying the government has no say in gun ownership. Thus making all gun laws by definition unconstitutional.
