A Memeory From The Past And Why Training Children Will Reduce Gun Accidents

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  1. Bowerbird

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    They don’t here
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    Maybe if America did not have a narrow definition of rape it’s statistics would not be skewed

    That and poor reporting
     
  3. Well Bonded

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    I will remind you again this thread is about training children in the U.S. about gun safety, if you cannot contribute to that discussion please do not troll it.
     
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    Damn well should be. It's the single most brutal, dehumanizing act one person can inflict on another. Rape victims have described it as "a fate worse than death". A woman who terminates the threat of a would-be rapist is perfectly ethically and morally justified in doing so.
     
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    Yes, not training your children can lead to disaster.
     
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    Evidently rape is not one of your concerns.
     
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    Oh, you mean rape is not rape? What planet are you from?
     
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    And you are worried that your children won't be able to handle seeing it on the news? :laughing: So that's why they need training, huh.
     
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    The subject is guns. I REPEAT: "Rape is not a capital offense." I really do not think that you are following the line of discussion.
     
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    What YOU aren't "following" is that children need to be trained with firearms from an early age if they are to be part of a society that has a Constitutional right to bear arms for defense and security.... and that you care nothing for the well-being of the people in your own society. Your callous disregard of the horror that is rape, and your dismissal of a woman's right to defend herself from it by any means necessary, is damning evidence against you.
     
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    The nation of Venezuela has a much higher rate of intentional firearm-related homicide than the united states.
     
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    Even if one does not actually own a firearm themselves, at least one out of three individuals in the united states does own at least one firearm.

    For better or worse, firearms are not going anywhere, nor are they going to be removed from the equation, and no amount of wishful thinking or otherwise bemoaning the fact is going to change anything. So cease the whining, cease the circular logic wishing for firearms to simply stop existing, and instead come up with a different course of action for addressing the matter.

    If there were a lion to be found in potentially every house, and pants pocket in the united states, such would indeed be taught.
     
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    Perhaps not yet. But the criminal element that is involved with smuggling firearms into the nation of Australia is still going strong, and the border protection services reports on the vast number of firearms they do manage to intercept in a given period of time. There is nothing to suggest they are intercepting one hundred percent of all firearms being smuggled in, and it is only a matter of time before the nation of Australia is swamped with enough firearms to rival the saturation ratio of firearms-to-people the united states is known for.

    When there are more firearms in the nation of Australia than people to legally own them, which will happen so long as the criminal element remains and has access to the funding it apparently possesses, the above may change drastically.
     
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    It is now 23 years since the gun reform

    Must be the worlds slowest smugglers
     
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    children should not be taught that breaking the law is ok, she should of got a concealed carry permit

    the people doing the mass shooting were mostly taught about guns... from their parents... it was their guns in most instances

    so while I agree with you, it's also the parents responsibility to keep their guns out of the hands of their children
     
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    if no guns in the house, most children are safer... there are exceptions of course.. your playing the odds

    it's like saying if one doesn't smoke, they will live longer, it's not always true.. your playing the odds though
     
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    Odd, none of my firearms are locked in an "armoury" (sic but should be armory") and they've yet to harm anyone.

    Perhaps you can explain this arcane process to the class?
     
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    Most gangmembers are 15-21. When you include those shot while committing crimes to the tally, you make the tally useless.
     
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    Such was impossible at the time and the police understood that and looked the other way.

    False claim, most mass shooters had little training and picked easy targets.

    Which proves nothing one way or the other.

    That is still is no excuse for not teaching children how to be gun safe.
     
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    FBI classification is for reporting purposes under the UCR system, the FBI does not define the criminal statutes, definitions or penalties for the States. Under various state laws there are a range sexually related crime statutes and misdemeanor-felony penalties, many often qualified by the level of violence involved.
     
  22. Thingamabob

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    Let's sort this out first:
    armoury
    /ˈɑːməri/

    noun
    *
    a place where weapons are kept.
    1. synonyms: arsenal, arms depot, arms cache, ordnance depot, magazine, ammunition dump

    Key word: Yet. Often referred to as "An accident waiting to happen."

    Ah, there's the problem. This is the advanced class. You ought to be putting your question to the beginner's class where they learn the basics.
     
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    never said that, just said keeping guns away from children will reduce the risk of a school shooting

    just like keeping some perceptions out of reach of children will help reduce child attempt suicide

    those are just facts... I am not saying people can't own guns or teach their children gun safety
     
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    Prithee O Wise and Learned Bob, twas I did pointe to thine strange affliction of speech. :nana:

    Which has everything to do with modern american english, as that is the dialect we're speaking in.

    Yes its all of my doing that you said essentially 'well its going to happen so I win'. Forsoothe thy slings and arrows wound me greatly, pray sting me no further Sir Knight. O woe to me, I shalt rend my clothes and tear my hair for the agony of it! :banana::banana:

    We've BEEN on guns, which you'd know if you bothered to read the posts. I took a slight frolic to poke fun at your archaic spelling and then proceeded with the point, which landed because you've spent the rest of the day deflecting with this... pitiful display.

    You haven't done anything but attempt to deflect from the fact that your absolute statement on guns and safety was so over-broad I'd have thought a rather unprecocious 8 year old had made it.
     
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    And then there are stories such as the following, which stand to suggest otherwise:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-15/four-corners-gun-running-syndicate-brought-down/8526592

    A syndicate working out of a suburban Sydney post office smuggled more than 130 high-powered, highly restricted semi-automatic handguns into Australia through the mail, at a time when the city was in the grip of an outbreak of drive-by shootings.

    At the time of their arrest in 2012, the syndicate had plans to bring in hundreds more Glock pistols into Australia.

    Only a fraction of the handguns they smuggled in have ever been found. More than 100 are still on the streets, in the hands of criminals.

    For five years, the ringleader of the syndicate has dragged his case through the courts. Only now can the full details be revealed of a scheme that firearms experts have told Four Corners is a "wake-up call" for Australian authorities.

    The operation only came to light after a reckless gunshot by a low-level criminal on the streets of Sydney, that put investigators on a trail that led to gun dealers in Germany, Switzerland, and the United States — and back to a suburban post office in Sydney.

    In the early hours of morning, in the Sydney suburb of Wiley Park, a couple are loudly arguing in their car.

    When a nearby resident tells them to shut up, he is shot at.

    Police chase the vehicle, and search it. This police video records the discovery of a pistol on the floor of the car.

    The gun is an immediate red flag. It's a Baby Glock semi-automatic pistol — easily concealed, and available only to law enforcement officers in Australia.

    But police also notice that the serial numbers on its three major parts don't match — and that all its components are virtually brand new.

    Police realise they are now investigating an international smuggling operation.

    Maxworthy detectives contact the Glock factory in Austria and learn that the weapons were sold to a small gun dealer in Germany, who in turn sold them to a buyer in Australia.

    The guns were delivered to a post office in suburban Sydney.

    The owner of the post office franchise, Andrew Botros, is known to police. He is placed under surveillance and his phones are tapped.

    So are two other suspects. One is Ahmed Karnib, who works at a nearby freight forwarding company. The other is Optus technician Khoder El Ali — the man police identify as the ringleader of the scheme.

    Police listen in as the men use their own crude code to discuss gun shipments.

    When the gun dealer in Germany is also placed under surveillance, police discover that another consignment of gun components is already on its way to Australia.

    When the package arrives, this time Customs officers are waiting. Inside the box they find 140 Glock pistol magazines.

    Police immediately realise the scale of the smuggling scheme.

    Police decide to set a trap, using the seized package with the Glock magazines.

    The box is repacked and fitted with a listening device. It's then delivered to the post office by an undercover Customs officer posing as a courier.

    After the package is delivered, Botros and Karnib are recorded discussing the package — and the pistol magazines it is supposed to contain.

    Botros is arrested in the post office, but denies any knowledge of the package.

    Karnib is arrested at the nearby shipping office where he is employed. He also maintains his innocence — even claiming to have met one of the false identities used by El Ali to buy guns online.

    El Ali is arrested while driving with his wife.

    Of the 132 pistols smuggled in, police have recovered just 24. They've been found on bikies, at meth labs, and on Middle Eastern crime gang members.

    One was even found hidden in a giant teddy bear.

    Botros and Karnib later pleaded guilty to importing prohibited goods and selling firearms parts.

    Karnib served almost four years in prison; Botros spent less than two years in custody until he was bailed and placed on a good behaviour bond.

    El Ali was convicted of conspiracy to import the guns, as well as possessing and supplying them.

    He was sentenced to a minimum of 13 years, and will be eligible for parole in 2025.


    The city of Sydney in the nation of Australia suffered a significant number of drive-by shootings during this time frame? Really?
     
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