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They simple are not splicing gene like you think they are. That kind of technology simply does not exist. What they are doing is simple making different hybrids of a plant much quicker. Every new tratevthey they produce is a trait that could be made naturally with selective plant breeding. But they shave found away to get them to Express the gene much quicker.

 

Exactly. Genetic engineering is a time saver. And the resultant GMO’s are thoroughly tested before release. No one has ever been harmed.

 

Go ahead and explain how fish genes could arrive in a tomato using selective breeding.

While no genetically modified stress-tolerant plants are currently commercialised, transgenic approaches have been researched. An early tomato was developed that contained an antifreeze gene(afa3) from the winter flounder with the aim of increasing the tomato's tolerance to frost, which became an icon in the early years of the debate over genetically modified foods, especially in relation to the perceived ethical dilemma of combining genes from different species.

 

Why do you post a article that says they spliced a gene from a flounder into a tamato.

 

You said:

"They simple are not splicing gene like you think they are. That kind of technology simply does not exist. What they are doing is simple making different hybrids of a plant much quicker. Every new tratevthey they produce is a trait that could be made naturally with selective plant breeding."

Errr.... putting a fish gene in a tomato is gene splicing; a technology you say "simply does not exist".

 

Or a gene for nemotode poison in corn.
Selective breeding is one thing.
Moving genes across species "transgenic" is Frankenfoods.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5422515/
We learned from corn, once the genie is out you can't put it back.
Farmers who bought non GMO corn get held responsible for contamination
rather than the source.
How dumb is that? But, Monsanto can pay more for lawyers than the farmer.
Just like an illegal Deutsche Bank foreclosure on a California home owner.

Oh and try find Oats for Human Consumption with no glyphosate (Round Up).
Quaker Oats getting sued over that now.
All tested is contaminated. Organic, etc.
Link me purchase certified, glyphosate free, oats for people.
Monsanto Rules Our Food. Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.


Moi

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Who has put a fish gene into a tomato ?? Are you claiming that you can and have purchased these tomatoes with fish genes ??

 

Bob's Red Mill sells organic products but they have to stipulate that their oats (maybe other stuff, too, just haven't checked) cannot be guaranteed to be glyphosate-free as it is showing up in small amounts even in organically grown grains. That's just how pervasive this stuff had become.

 

What gene has been moved across species ?? Nothing in the abstract about that.

 

Did you read the link at all? Moi thinks AFM didn't True / False?
Transgenic section a bit down the page.

Consider the difference between selective breeding within a species
and conferring a gene from a bacteria or virus or some other donor
to our food supply.
And when it comes to corn. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. The gene pool is contaminated. Your yummy corn is now containing an insecticide from a bacteria gene transplanted into your Sweet, Yummy Corn. And corn syrup too. Corn meal.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/top...ified-organisms-gmos-transgenic-crops-and-732

Biotechnology
Genetically Conferred Trait Example Organism Genetic Change
APPROVED COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS​

Herbicide tolerance Soybean Glyphosate herbicide (Roundup) tolerance conferred by expression of a glyphosate-tolerant form of the plant enzyme 5-enolpyruvylshikimate-3-phosphate synthase (EPSPS) isolated from the soil bacterium Agrobacterium tumefaciens, strain CP4


Insect resistance Corn Resistance to insect pests, specifically the European corn borer, through expression of the insecticidal protein Cry1Ab from Bacillus thuringiensis
Insecticidal protein benign "us" and now a containment in all corn.

Altered fatty acid composition Canola High laurate levels achieved by inserting the gene for ACP thioesterase from the California bay tree Umbellularia californica

Virus resistance Plum Resistance to plum pox virus conferred by insertion of a coat protein (CP) gene from the virus

source https://www.nature.com/scitable/top...ified-organisms-gmos-transgenic-crops-and-732




Frankenfoods are being allowed without due consideration for our safety.
Nor protection of the native, food supply.

 

I read the abstract. No mention of any of this. All they are doing is speeding up the trial and error of Luther Burbank. They aren’t implanting genes from other species.

Your so called frankenfoods are increasing yields and saving lives. Name anyone who has been harmed. Are you claiming that these foods are not tested ??

 

Well whoopie for YOU!

Try read mid page down. Transgenic section

 

For slower Boardies:
From the second link. Insect resistant corn. No abstract ref.
Also in the first link if you scrolled down mid page.

Absract - whoopie ​

Insect resistance Corn Resistance to insect pests, specifically the European corn borer, through expression of the insecticidal protein Cry1Ab from Bacillus thuringiensini
Insecticidal protein benign to "us" and now a contaminant in all corn.


Frankenfoods need to be corralled from contaminating the whole food supply with a possible oopsie.
Monsanto makes big bucks off Frankenfoods.
Who is going to tell them, "No!".
Especially gov't people offered enough incentive.


No anti Trust laws available?


Moi

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An attribute has been found and duplicated to achieve a result thus shortening the natural selection process. That's all that's going on here. That's not a contaminant. It's a beneficial trait derived from human intervention in the evolutionary process.

 

No names of people harmed ?? How many people have benefited from these GM foods.

Read

"The Precautionary Principle - A Critical Appraisal of Envirnonmental Risk Assessment" - Goklany - 2001

"Science and Public Policy - The Virtuous Corruption of Virtual Environmental Science" - Kellow - 2007

"Science Left Behind - Feel-Good Fallacies and the Rise of The Anti-Scientific Left" - Berezow & Campbell - 2012

 

As long as your personal biology doesn't go "haywire",
over eating bacterial derived insecticide in your corn
for decades upon decades.

And what of the beef, pork, chicken etc. nourished on
that corn in our food supply.

 

That’s hilarious.

 

Did you take any Biology class beyond, High School? Yes / No ?



Moi, BSc Biological Sciences Magna Cum Laude Univ. of Calif. Irvine
M.D. Univ. of California Medical Center, San Francisco.

Both, very molecular oriented.​

Learned my Biochemistry so good at UCI I got a pass by examination
months later at UCSF.


How about YOU @AFM
Please, eat some corn every day.
Canned, frozen or fresh.

 

That's true, but technically that first statement is false.

Hybridization takes place between different species all the time in the plant kingdom (and in some rarer instances in the animal kingdom as well).
People have been brainwashed into believing two different species are always incapable of having natural offspring. (Something they don't like to cover in first year biology because it could have possible racial implications)

 

That's more hilarious.

 

In general, glyphosate is more than controversial, as is the whole business conduct of Monsanto itself.
Whether the stuff is carcinogenic or not is controversial ... but more and more undisputed is that glyphosate is very responsible for the worldwide insect killing.... particularly bees!

But what is really evil in Monsanto, that is the disgusting business model with which the farmers are literally blackmailed and become a slave of Monsanto!

This phrase sounds great ...
"It is our concern to help farmers make significant gains in productivity and productivity, and many other people are helped by every farmer in the world who manages to free himself from poverty." With this slogan Monsanto advertises on its homepage.
But reality is another ...
However, the contracts have little to do with partnership. With his signature, the farmer agrees that he does not retain part of his harvest for re-seeding, as is customary in agriculture. Instead, he declares his willingness to purchase seeds from Monsanto every year and pay additional licensing fees.
The agreement also allows Monsanto to view all crop reports from the US Department of Agriculture. Thus, the group can easily understand whether the ordered amount of seed also coincides with the amount of the fields ordered.
Even when buying and selling the farmers are left few freedoms. If he buys seeds from traders who are not certified by Monsanto, he violates patent law. In order to track down possible violations, Monsanto has even set up a free hotline, with the help of farmers can suspect their neighbors. In this way, he gets hundreds of references annually, the company said. As a reward, the denunciator has the prospect of a leather jacket.

As soon as Monsanto suspects that a farmer may retain seed or plant Monsanto seeds without a contract, private investigators will be charged. They take samples of the fields and take pictures.
A little later comes usually a written threat of legal action. The farmer is requested to pay within a certain period of time, a fixed amount or to conclude new contracts. If he does not do so, a lawsuit is imminent. Since these are lengthy and costly in America, many farmers choose to pay, even if the allegations are not true.

If the farmer does not agree to an out-of-court settlement, it will sue. In addition, he usually ends up on one of Monsanto's blacklists, which exclude the farmer from buying Monsanto products and products from partner companies. The procedure is conducted in the home state of Monsanto, Missouri, as required by the contract. For the majority of the defendants, this means seeking a lawyer outside of their own state and having to travel hundreds or thousands of kilometers for the trial dates. The odds of success for the farmers, however, are low ... thanks to witty US case law (in my country and in the EU, Monsanto would get kicked by the judge as well in the butt in such lawsuits against farmers as they now get for damages ).

But the really evil thing about Monsanto is that they even indict people in court. If farmer A uses the things of Monsanto, the neighbor and farmer B but not, one thinks everything OK. No ... Mother Nature is not interested in patents and she sows herself automatically and does not stop at any of the limits! So if farmer B has the stuff of Monsanto on the field without this, he gets a bill from Monsanto for use ... and there were farmers who actually have them in court in the US lost!
In my country Monsanto would not only have been laughed at by the judge, no ... Monsanto would also have to pay direct damages for contaminating the field of farmer B!

 

True. Between fad diets, sedentary jobs, and flat out laziness, the human diet isnt really natural. It relies heavily on man made chemicals and GMOs.

 

GMO food was approved by the FDA in 1988. Remind me who was President in 1988?

 

That's absurd. Monsanto and companies like it are responsible for the productivity increases in agriculture that have resulted in the great abundance in food selection and quantity we see today. They are acting as any business would to protect the interests of their investors and customers as well.

 

80% of the food we eat is genetically modified. That's been going on since men began to cultivate the soil.